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ms is 3rd on the grid behind a toyota and the renault but what was a real shock both the williams are a full 10km slower down the speed traps than the renault......--- i hope they can go around corners.....


wayne
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i wanna ask.. during the first qualify do they need to qualify with the fuel for the race? or is that done in for the second qualify

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for first quali u can run low on fuel....you only need to qualify with the race fuel on Sunday

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hmm idd I wasn't aware the difference was that big. Kind of strange race tactics is you ask me. Or they have a problem running the car with less wing, or the BMW engine isn't really as powerful anymore as some people wish to believe (not me, I fully believe in the Renault engine ;) )

Anyway, here are the speed traps:

1 10 Pedro de la Rosa 13:02:09 331.1
2 12 Felipe Massa 13:31:14 330.5
3 9 Kimi Räikkönen 13:33:18 330.1
4 18 Tiago Monteiro 13:24:02 329.2
5 5 Fernando Alonso 13:50:48 329.2
6 1 Michael Schumacher 13:37:29 328.5
7 19 Narain Karthikeyan 13:29:16 328.3
8 15 Christian Klien 13:35:12 328.2
9 11 Jacques Villeneuve 13:10:33 327.5
10 6 Giancarlo Fisichella 13:18:04 327.5
11 14 David Coulthard 13:42:51 326.9
12 21 Christijan Albers 13:22:04 323.9
13 2 Rubens Barrichello 13:20:13 323.7
14 20 Patrick Friesacher 13:06:21 323.3
15 4 Takuma Sato 13:04:20 323.0
16 16 Jarno Trulli 13:48:51 322.2
17 17 Ralf Schumacher 13:44:51 321.3
18 3 Jenson Button 13:08:35 321.2
19 7 Mark Webber 13:16:08 321.0
20 8 Nick Heidfeld 13:46:53 319.5

I'll keep it following, see whether that changes a bit tomorrow morning... which seems unlikely because of the parc fermé rule...

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This question is for tomba.
Since Imola 2004 it have been no technical updates. I wonder why?
I remember in 2003 when I could enjoy reading your analyzes about the cars but now there isn't anymore artickles.

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Nick is the only driver who is using the same engine as in Malesia, he is probably using it a bit les, but stil a big difirence betwin Mark and the others

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sunday qual and the williams are still 10k off the pace .......


wayne
gentlemen start your engines......

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jaslfc wrote:i wanna ask.. during the first qualify do they need to qualify with the fuel for the race? or is that done in for the second qualify
In the qualifying one all cars run with as little fuel as they can get away with so the first session is usually as good of an indicator of outright , genuine pace as you are gonna get.
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anyway, we found the reason for the low top speeds of both Williams cars at Bahrain. Mario Thiessen himself stated the engines were running at their thermal limits because of insufficient cooling from the Williams chassis.

They therefore had to turn down the engine revs to compensate for this problem

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F1-Noob wrote:This question is for tomba.
Since Imola 2004 it have been no technical updates. I wonder why?
I remember in 2003 when I could enjoy reading your analyzes about the cars but now there isn't anymore artickles.
Well, time problems are the only reason I'm afraid. I'm busy working to have it managed a little easier, but I simply cannot program, design and write articles at the same time. Sorry :(

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DaveKillens wrote: At present, the official Formula One website, http://www.formula1.com, now carries a technical update section. It's updated after each race, and it's quite good. It's pretty hard to come up with something better than that.
The author is Paolo Filisetti, he’s an aeronautical engineer, I’ve seen him very often on tv. His drawings, although very good, aren’t maybe as good as Piola’s ones, but he’s IMO definitively the best technical commentator on accuracy of the explanations (not considering scarbs BTW ;-)), especially when he has the chance to comment the drawings live.