f1 without rules..

[jaslfc]

ive been following the forum for a while now and noticed that most of u guys are engineers.. This is a question for u guys.. what if there was no more technical regulations .. teams can design whatever they want.. go back to slicks.. big wings.. turbo ... i got 2 questions..
a) What will the car spec be?
b) how many seconds faster would it be around the track?

[bcsolutions]

Money no object?

[jaslfc]

Yes ... but still it has to be realistic. U know maybe use banned technology.. like those used in the past or prototype parts

[wrk]

thats a scary thought!!!!!!!!!!!!1


wayne

[West]

Active suspension
1.5 V6 turbo
Ground effect design
Slicks
Michael Schumacher on board

[bcsolutions]

I think that even going to watch F1 under "no rules" conditions could be considered an extreme activity. I can't imagine the engineers even knowing where to start designing a car like this. The only boundary presumably being the tolerances of the human body!

[Guest]

Yes, BCS I imagine the only limiting design parameter would be the G-forces the human body could withstand. I think this would cap the tyres at a certain size, slick of course, and then the design would follow from there... I would expect the following features:

-large slicks, possibly enclosed at the rear, covered at the front
-2-3L turbocharged engines
-ground effects, movable wings and diffuser (e.g. angle of attack reduces to zero on acceleration, maximum on braking)
-traction control, brake assist, active suspension, launch control
-automatic braking and downshifts at adjustable points into certain corners
-fully automatic gearless transmissions
-exotic materials and fuels
-lighter cars

I would expect these cars to be easily 10 seconds per lap faster and really the only limit on their speed would be the G-forces the driver could withstand.

[johny]

do you think that an human being could drive that for a gp distance?

[bh]

You are still thinking along the lines of the rules.

F1 car.. ~4Gs..
modern fighter jet.. ~10Gs+

Why all these piddly tires and piston engines? My "rule-less car" would be fueled by a liquid rocket engine, and would be an airplane built for nothing but huge G loads. It wouldn't be difficult to design an airplane that could do 15-20Gs. Why use a pilot? There are no rules... Just program in a track map. If you did have some rule that required tires in contact with the ground, just keep the airplane at low altitude with a tire that reaches down to the ground.

Rule-less F1 debates are pointless, because we can't even imagine what the final answer would be.

[Spencifer_Murphy]

there may not nessecarily be just one answer