Renault Tyres

[j4kwan]

Should Alonso not be DQ'd for not having 4 identifying treads on his rears?

[Monstrobolaxa]

Probably he wasn't cause the FIA probably didn't find any gain in having the tires in those conditions...the rule is just to keep teams from racing the good old slick tires...! But due to the diferent tire constructions between both, having a "grooved-into-slick" tire actually only worsens the car performance.

[West]

He should have been penalized for not giving Webber his position when the latter overtook him at Nouvelle the first time.

I thought Renault were running the soft tires, but I heard they were using hard tires which were softer than the McLaren specification.

[johny]

they probably watch tyres before race, and do you think that going with that tyres is an advantage? i've heard that both mclaren and renault used the same compound they discard the harder one, and probably used the intermediate one, in williams case they took the harder one.

here is the tyre

[wrk]

yep looks like a slick to me, but when its down that far from new its well and truely past its used by date.


wayne

[Monstrobolaxa]

The info I had was that Renault was using a softer compound then Mclaren

[ib141]

yeah I heard the same thing, I think the Mclarens have been very easyt on their tyres this year. I also think that possibly Alonso may have been working his tyres to hard in the early part of the race trying to keep up with Kimi + the heavy fuel load as they managed to run for something like 53 laps

[j4kwan]

Probably he wasn't cause the FIA probably didn't find any gain in having the tires in those conditions...the rule is just to keep teams from racing the good old slick tires...! But due to the diferent tire constructions between both, having a "grooved-into-slick" tire actually only worsens the car performance.

but i think Renault did gain from these tires...Although Alonso didn't take 2nd and lost to the BMWs, he did gain points in absolute, by placing 4th! He should have been dropped back behind any racer that still had 4 grooves and should have lost his points. I like Renault, but hey, if they throw the gauntlet at Honda, they should do it to any other car - especially if they're actually in championship contention...

I thought the rule was that in order to finish (especially in points) you have to have 4 identifying grooves in all 4 tires. Also there has to be like a certain measurable depth to them as well after finishing the race. If not, you DQ'd! What gives!?!

[Steven]

yeah I heard the same thing, I think the Mclarens have been very easyt on their tyres this year. I also think that possibly Alonso may have been working his tyres to hard in the early part of the race trying to keep up with Kimi + the heavy fuel load as they managed to run for something like 53 laps

You pointing in particular to Alonso is a wrong statement. He drove faster than Fisichella and had less tire degradation at the end of the race (Fisico consistently lost time to Fernando).

For the tires, I wrote in the first qualifying report that first of all McLaren and Sauber were on the softest tires, Renault on intermediates and Williams on hard rubber. I am unaware of other teams though but there are anyway the most important ones.

[Guest]

I dont understand what you mean by a wrong staement??
Tomba

You pointing in particular to Alonso is a wrong statement.

Also have you been able to find any pictures of Fisi's rear tyres compared to Alonso's. where did you find out about the tyre degredation? I still think that carrying what must have been over 100kg's of fuel would not have helped his tyres.

[johny]

i heard that fisico had the same problems, when alonso lapped fisico, alonso asked if fisico's prob was the same that his and the answer was yes. His tyres aren't so bad because he could go down but alonso fighting for the podium couldn't do that, he had to go down cause the probability of a puncture was so high

[Monstrobolaxa]

Probably he wasn't cause the FIA probably didn't find any gain in having the tires in those conditions...the rule is just to keep teams from racing the good old slick tires...! But due to the diferent tire constructions between both, having a "grooved-into-slick" tire actually only worsens the car performance.

but i think Renault did gain from these tires...Although Alonso didn't take 2nd and lost to the BMWs, he did gain points in absolute, by placing 4th! He should have been dropped back behind any racer that still had 4 grooves and should have lost his points. I like Renault, but hey, if they throw the gauntlet at Honda, they should do it to any other car - especially if they're actually in championship contention...

I thought the rule was that in order to finish (especially in points) you have to have 4 identifying grooves in all 4 tires. Also there has to be like a certain measurable depth to them as well after finishing the race. If not, you DQ'd! What gives!?!

The FIA analysis the lap times in order to see if there is a gain in having the "slick-grooves"....and in Alonsos case we clearly saw it on tv that he couldn't keep up with anyone.

[marcusdias]

I heard Renault had been using a hard compound during the Monaco GP(Rear Tyre for sure). And in a track that demands so much traction like Monaco, it ended up being a bad choice of tyres. Having less grip than a softer compound, the renault cars had a tendency to "skid" a little bit when cornering and when they had to traction to exit the bends, degrading their tyres.
Their earlier pit stop was a bad choice, as said by their director of engineering, Pat Symonds. Having their cars to run heavier for a longer time.
Alonso and Fisichella reported how hard was to driver their cars for the last laps, having to break earlier. Fisichella even said Monaco probably was the most difficult race of his career

[Steven]

I dont understand what you mean by a wrong staement?? Also have you been able to find any pictures of Fisi's rear tyres compared to Alonso's. where did you find out about the tyre degredation? I still think that carrying what must have been over 100kg's of fuel would not have helped his tyres.

Of course that fuel may not have helped, but that was the same for Fisichella. The thing that Fisicos tires were worse was noted in official Renault press releases.

Anyway, the tire thread doesn't say much, as Raikkonens rear tires were slicks too at the end, and so it was the case with many others too.

[Guest]

according to ron dennis, martin whitmarsh, and kimi räikkönen the mclaren used the softest possible tyre avaidable and renault had a harder one