Electric only driving in the pit lane

[Hail22]

Link to article:

http://www.caranddriverthef1.com/formul ... -formula-1

Google Translation:

The FIA will delay the electric motor in F1
Renault, Ferrari and Mercedes lead the protests
The electric motor will have to wait. Jean Todt has accepted this system delay complaints against three manufacturers of propellers. Although it has not yet official, is expected to be ratified at the next meeting of the World Motor Sport Council of the FIA at the end of the year.

Article 5.19 of the Technical Regulations for 2014 Formula 1 indicates that "the car must have a long way to drive electric in the pitlane." That required the introduction of a brand new system in this sport, the costs scare some traditional manufacturers such as Ferrari, Mercedes and Renault, who have called for his delay.

The concerns of the three manufacturers focus on the manufacturing costs of these new units and security boxes, since the absence of engine noise when a car tour the pitlane, they say, would cause outrage.

Jean Todt, FIA president, has heard your complaints and has taken part, as Autosport, which publishes his words: "I have agreed to delay (the electric motor). Has to go through the World Council, but will be delayed about three years ".

Would this be considered the beginning of the end for the new V6 Formula?

[WhiteBlue]

The title of the thread is totally misleading. It is well known since the India GP weekend that Ecclestone is against the "electric only in the pit lane" driving. It sounds logical that Jean Todt will concede this request because it does not really impact strongly on the carbon footprint. It does impact on the race and control strategies of the teams. So they will support Ecclestone in order to make the introduction of the new technology easier. It is also well known that this will not affect the technical regulations. It is a sporting issue. The new formula and the new engines will not be changed apart from details that may need little adaptations. All of this will not affect the electric MGUs. Both MGU-H and MGU-K will be introduced together with the V6 turbo compounding engines. Ferrari, Reanult and Merc will kick Bernie's ass to oblivion if he further messes with the V6 formula. They have by far too much invested to accept another delay.
Mods: May I respectfully suggest a meaningful title for the thread?
"Electric only driving in the pit lane in 2014?"

Would this be considered the beginning of the end for the new V6 Formula?

No!

[Cam]

Mods: May I respectfully suggest a meaningful title for the thread?
"Electric only driving in the pit lane in 2014?"

Agreed, with a small alteration - drop the 'in 2014' this will give the thread some longevity. Perhaps even take it out of F1 as there's obvious parallels with LMP and the cross discussion could be quite interesting comparing technologies, if/when, they appear on F1.

[Hail22]

Mods: May I respectfully suggest a meaningful title for the thread?
"Electric only driving in the pit lane in 2014?"

Agreed, with a small alteration - drop the 'in 2014' this will give the thread some longevity. Perhaps even take it out of F1 as there's obvious parallels with LMP and the cross discussion could be quite interesting comparing technologies, if/when, they appear on F1.

I have edited the title myself, could simply pm me?

[Cam]

@Hail22 - I think WhiteBlue was inteding to have this tread as a general discussion about the Electirc Only driving in pit lane, including any axing, implementation and general discussion - which is why the new name was suggested. I guess you could leave this thread soley to discussing the axing of it, however any other discussion would be 'off topic' - hence the suggestion to open the thread up to a more general discussion. Was just a suggestion

[WhiteBlue]

Apologies for not trying to reach the OP. I wasn't even sure you could still do it.
Cam's proposal is very good and I'm glad it was implemented. +1 from me

[Nowhereman]

A total F-ing joke.
They are making a mockery out of F1.

[banibhusan]

I wonder how much is it going to affect the carbon footprint!! While in the pit lane the cars anyways run on low revs with minimal fuel consumption mode. If it's not significant then the costs in developing such a system would outweigh the benefits may be.

And the rule, if implemented, says that there will be no ignition and fuel supply to the engine when the car is in pit lane. So during a race when a driver is always at the limit, he would have to rush into the pit lane and then switch off the engine before the pit lane entry line and again start the ignition after pit lane exit? Sounds like an unnecessary change!!

[Raptor22]

Electric only running has no place in F1. it doe snot save costs, its not cost effective and its dangerous from the perspective that mechanics can't hear the car with their helmets and flam proof balaclave on. Those on the pit wall won;t hear too well either with earphones on.
It does reduce the pollution in the pitlane itself but that can be handled in other ways.

[Cam]

Could it be a very small stepping stone to full electric running? I can see many reasons to impliment it, just as I can see many reasons to delay it. It probably will appear at some time. How was it received in LMP?

[Raptor22]

In LMP the engine is used as a generator to charge the batteries and thats drives the wheels. in f1 they advocate switching the engine off completely

[Cam]

Oh I didn't realize that. You'd think stopping and starting an f1 engine a couple of times a race wouldn't be too good for it, anyone know?

Edit (x2): here's a video fo the Toyota TS030 leaving the pits. The sound is very strange when used to hearing an engine. Interesting the drivers comment on fuel efficiency, which could be a big benefit to a team that nails it. Also, road relevance, and we've heard some things about F1 being more in this domain. Maybe these are factors?

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdFeQx_w ... r_embedded[/youtube]

[Joie de vivre]

It won't happen!

[Dragonfly]

Now that they have enough electric energy on board they can supply the cars with horns to warn the pedestrians
But I guess it will influence the noise footprint in the pit lane.

[WhiteBlue]

Electric only running has no place in F1. it doe snot save costs, its not cost effective and its dangerous from the perspective that mechanics can't hear the car with their helmets and flam proof balaclave on. Those on the pit wall won;t hear too well either with earphones on.
It does reduce the pollution in the pitlane itself but that can be handled in other ways.

That isn't the whole story. If you listen to the Toyota LMP you find that there is still enough noise to prevent the danger of cars being not heard while driving in the pit lane. So that is not a valid point. There is also an advantage because people in the pit lane could communicate much better without the need for ear protection. The fans could still hear the engines while they are on track. I'm afraid it is once again one of these emotional issues. The purists and traditionalists will simply run havoc if F1 makes changes and Bernie gets panic that some paying customers get pissed off. So they will probably delay it for some years. Personally I don't care so much. I won't be in the pit lane anyway, but if I were I would prefer the electric drive rule.