ferari what the hell

[gof1go]

can any one tell me what the hell has happened to ferari? why they are out raced by teams which they have outraced for so many years?

[warmandog]

this is a easy answer on that

T.Y.R.E.S

Regards

[Scuderia_Russ]

It is my understanding that a number of key technical staff have moved to other teams. A low turnover of staff and keeping that continuity is of course preferable but budget cuts due to FIAT's financial woes hasn't helped apparently.

[Guest]

In racing no one stays on top. They take turns, based on who delivers the optimum package.
It's like a foot race, where no one can stand still. If they even stumble, others pass them. That's what happened to Ferrari. With the new rules, they (both Ferrari and Bridgestone) have stumbled coming out of the blocks, and are in a race of catch-up where their competitors do not intend to slow down.
Look at McLaren, they were the dominant team just a few years ago. But even they had lulls, and spent a few seasons catching up.

[Apex]

For me, its so irritating when people talk about the cycle that the teams spend on top.... That’s the effect of some sort of change - I know that’s not the best sentence but ill try to explain it:

Look at what happened when Rossi went to Yamaha, he took Honda people with him (were champions at that stage) - and won the championship. It was not Yamaha’s turn to be on top.

The same thing happens in F1 - When Schumacher stole key Benetton people and changed them to Ferrari - they won soon afterwards.

I feel that there are major politics that the public don’t know about, this influences decisions. They may seem like a poor choice but that’s because we don’t know what's really going on.

[manchild]

Turns happen naturally not because someone plans that, it is what I believe “Guest” wanted to say. No one can stay on top indefinitely.

Regulations, money, designers, engineers, suppliers, drivers and accidents - all of these influence positions on top as well as the rest of them. For example, Senna's tragedy completely changed the future of F1.

Schumacher went to Ferrari in 1996 and won the first title with them in 2000. He won first title in his 5th season for Ferrari. That can hardly be compared with what Rossi has done.

[Scuderia_Russ]

Rossi says that a rider can make up more of a bikes shortfalls than a driver in F1 can.

[manchild]

Rossi says that a rider can make up more of a bikes shortfalls than a driver in F1 can.

He cartainly can

[GUEST]

can any one tell me what the hell has happened to ferari? why they are out raced by teams which they have outraced for so many years?

this years car for ferrai was not designed by the regular guy-which made them win championships one after another--its designed by a new guy with the team--may be he has got it wrong --or the team has got it wrong this year,
com'on guys 5 years of peak--just one season-lapse
i am sure ferrai-will be back front in next season-way ahead that schmi and maasa will have to never look at their mirrors
all this story about brigestone and financial vows at FIAT are not the real factors--i will give the reason
1)FIATs fiancial vows have been for atmost 3 years
2)last five seasons we have won with brigestone-
real culprit is ---SLOW CAR DESIGNED OVERALL

[DaveKillens]

Sory, I was the "guest" who made the post about "In racing no one stays on top. They take turns, based on who delivers the optimum package.
"
I do happen to believe that no one can stay on top perpetually. Everyone occasionally fails to keep up, and they have to spend a little while catching up.
I don't believe any is planned, with just one exception. I heard a very interesting theory many years ago concerning Lotus. No one can dispute their accomplishments in the 60's and 70's, they were definitely one of the dominant teams. But the theory said that Colin Chapman wanted to use his resources properly, and he believed that if you chased the title 100% every year, you lost resources, and the ability to stay ahead. If not, on top. So after a title year, Lotus coasted the next season, preparing to attack the next season with vigor. This theory is based on the fact that Lotus never won consecutive years, they seems to win the title every second year. Of course, this theory is full of holes and it's hard to believe. But anyone familar with the ruthlessness of Colin Chapman just may believe he did it.
And if this theory is even partially true, it makes you wonder about Tyrell and Jackie Stewart, who always won his titles on alternating years.
I'm just puttin this theory forward only as food for thought.

[jaslfc]

with williams and maybe toyota jumping ship next year to bridgestone, i think that bridgestone may close the gap on michelin but even as a ferrari supporter i have to say there is no guarantee that ferrari will come back to the top. Mclaren and Renault has already mastered the new aero rules and they have a better platform to work on. BTW what possition in the constructors do u have to finish to be allowed to have a third driver on friday?

[manchild]

Any team that finished fifth or lower in the previous year’s constructors’ championship is allowed to run a third car and driver in Friday’s two practice sessions, without the engine and tyre restrictions that apply to their race drivers.

Any holder of a Super License may run as a third driver. A previous requirement that third drivers must not have competed in more than six races in the last two seasons was dropped ahead of the 2005 San Marino Grand Prix by agreement of all the teams.

BTW, this also means that Rossi could drive on Fridays since he had already completed mileage necessary for Super License but not in Ferrari because they are likely to finish 3rd or 4th overall.

[jaslfc]

thanks for the info .. but i doubt ferrari will be 5th or lower in the constructors champ.. worst case i think is 4th.. and i doubt rossi has time to go and be a friday third driver.. some of the motogp and f1 races are on the same weekend ..

[RH1300S]

It's not just tyres (I'm sure they contribute), you can look at the difference between them and other Bridgestone Teams compared to 2004. Ferrari have dropped back a little, also I think that McLaren & Renault have raised their game substantially. Take those two out of the pitcture and Ferrari would look much better (even if not as good as last year).

[Spencifer_Murphy]

Yeah, Ross Brawn has also admitted to the shortfalls in the F2005 chassis. In an interview he claimed that the other major teams have probably regained most of the downforce lost due to the new for 2005 aero regulations, but he says that Ferrari have yet to recover as much downforce. He finished by saying that the downforce lost was so massive that they have been unable to make the required changes.

The whole articale is here:
http://www.itv-f1.com/News_Article.aspx?PO_ID=34069