Webber's KERS

[JimClarkFan]

Does anybody have a good explanation for why it never works?

Does anybody have a list of all the races where there was problems with his KERS?

I have a few theories of why it might not be working

[Joie de vivre]

I heard Helmut Marko is responsible for KERS installation LOL.

Gee yeah it's pretty weird why this things rarely happen to Vettel ... conspiracy theory? haha

[JimClarkFan]

I heard Helmut Marko is responsible for KERS installation LOL.

Gee yeah it's pretty weird why this things rarely happen to Vettel ... conspiracy theory? haha

Heheh

The frequency that it happens to Mark but not for Webber makes me.... ''hmmmmm???'''

Would be good to see a list of every race that he has had KERS problems in, and compare against that of Vettel's. Would also be useful to know their relative start positions in the race.

[Cylinder]

Does anybody have a good explanation for why it never works?

Does anybody have a list of all the races where there was problems with his KERS?

I have a few theories of why it might not be working

It's an embarrassment, the amount of bad starts Webber keeps getting is inhuman, and as for the KERS.......well....

Let's put it this way, i would love Red Bull to explain why this issue keeps affecting him season after season.

[raymondu999]

Vettel does get a share of the KERS issues too to be honest. I can think of several off the top of my head.

[JimClarkFan]

Vettel does get a share of the KERS issues too to be honest. I can think of several off the top of my head.

Oh course, I can think of two or three as well. I can think of ALOT more Webber issues though, that's the issue. There is a point where this stops being random, finding out why might be interesting and a source of great amusement.

[Cylinder]

Vettel does get a share of the KERS issues too to be honest. I can think of several off the top of my head.

Nothing like Webber, well strange how he seems to get an insanley disproportionate about of Kers/start issues.

Today's gem was apparently an ''ECU failure'' which caused the KERS issue.....so i read elsewhere....... it's getting beyond a joke now, i'm suprised Webber hasn't said anything in Public yet because it's borderline farcial, if its a legit problem, you would think Red Bull should be bending over backwards to get it sorted.

edit: Apparently webber had a double whammy, ecu failure which messed up his starting settings AND Kers failure.

[Cylinder]

Vettel does get a share of the KERS issues too to be honest. I can think of several off the top of my head.

Nothing like Webber, well strange how he seems to get an insanley disproportionate about of Kers/start issues.

Today's gem was apparently an ''ECU failure'' which caused the KERS issue.....so i read elsewhere....... it's getting beyond a joke now, i'm suprised Webber hasn't said anything in Public yet because it's borderline farcial, if its a legit problem, you would think Red Bull should be bending over backwards to get it sorted.

edit: Apparently webber had a double whammy, ecu failure which messed up his starting settings AND Kers failure.

From another forum.....and I dont for one second believe this is the full list, 2012, looks well short on entries......2011 looks more like it though, check this out.

KERS failures; (might not be comprehensive)
2011
Australia - race
Malaysia - start
China - FP3
Spain - race
Canada - qualifying and race
Valenica - FP2
Italy - qualifying
Singapore - qualifying

2012
Australia - qualifying
India - race
Abu Dhabi FP2

[Lurk]

2012 there is also Bahrain (start & 1st lap) and Canada (qualifying)

[Lycoming]

Vettel's had plenty of issues as well with it either being intermittent or nonfunctional.

To the conspiracy theorists: it doesn't make any sense to make one of your drivers go slower when you're trying to win the constructors championship and all the cash that comes along with it.

In any case, I need to think about the math more, but I don't really believe it to be statistically significant either way.

[Blue fellow]

If they wanted to nerf Webber, wouldn't it be better to give him a worse engine mapping, or slightly screw up his set up? Something that wouldn't be visible to the public?

Is possible that Webber runs his KERS settings slightly different to get a different braking feel and the setting Vettel runs at is more gentle? I'm not that familiar with KERS settings so I don't really know.

[mnmracer]

Why did Schumacher have more issues then Rosberg? Why did Hamilton have so many more issues then Button?
KERS or not, Vettel has lot several victories due to mechanical issues, Mark hasn't.

sjit happens, it's that simple.

[Cylinder]

If they wanted to nerf Webber, wouldn't it be better to give him a worse engine mapping, or slightly screw up his set up? Something that wouldn't be visible to the public?

I think during 2011, there were a number of individuals who suspected that when Red Bull were running the exhaust blown diffuser powered by off throttle engine maps...........that Vettel has access to maps that Mark did not.

I remember the 2011 British GP where the maps were banned for that race, I believe as soon as the maps were banned Webber magically found his 0.5 of a second back that had been missing in quali all season and outqualified Vettel and got the pole, this was also the race in which Alonso obliterated everyone en route to an easy win.

Of course as soon as the mappings were allow back again......''Super Seb'' suddenly shows up with his mega quali pace again.

Strange one that.

[JimClarkFan]

Why did Schumacher have more issues then Rosberg? Why did Hamilton have so many more issues then Button?
KERS or not, Vettel has lot several victories due to mechanical issues, Mark hasn't.

sjit happens, it's that simple.

It would still be useful to see the stats.
Nobody has said that they 100% believe foul play, I know I haven't.
It would be nice to see if there is some kind of statistical difference between Vettel and Webber.
After that we can decide on a reason.

[Lycoming]

I think the sample size is too small, even going by number of races between the two of them since 2011, it probably isn't that unlikely to have such an unequal distribution of failures. That said, I havn't actually run the numbers, but there are ways of doing so, but I think you need to come up with some sort baseline KERS failure rate first.