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Now it seems that they may change the qualifying to some 3 session knockout qualifying. AM i the only one but why cant they go back to the old 1 hour open qualification session!
They want cars on the track all of the time. Give it a chance, this one might be the winner... but you can guarantee that some people will whinge about it!
"Whether you think you can or can't, either way you are right."
-Henry Ford-
This new proposal seems to be a recipe for an exciting qualifying session, add that to the earlier cars being knocked out having a chance change their fuel strategy and it could make for some interesting races.
jaslfc wrote:Now it seems that they may change the qualifying to some 3 session knockout qualifying. AM i the only one but why cant they go back to the old 1 hour open qualification session!
It is strange for me to agree with you but I'd also like to see 1 hour open session.
Fastest cars should be at front because that is F1 tradition and because best racing ever was when sessions were opened. Artificial mixing of slower and faster cars is pointless – racing isn’t when top car starts from back and than overtakes backmarkers and midfielders. Cars of similar performances should be fighting each other.
If FIA wants a show without tradition and meaning in a sense that best driver and best technical concept (car) is in front than it should cancel constructor’s championship and qualifying with starting positions being drawn from hat.
It seams to me that FIA actually wants to create more overtaking without banning the thing that killed it – sequential gearbox. Additional foot pedal and manual shifting would bring back overtaking and battles since no driver would be able to shift 1500 - 2000 times and more with contemporary accuracy.
I don’t like banning of technology but unfortunately I believe it is the only way to get more overtaking especially since technical regulations are heading towards unification.
In a nutshell – grid positions should be decided on two factors; quality of driver and quality of car (if we want both championships to preserve their meaning).
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Best racing ever (26mb) http://www.farzadsf1gallery.com/feature ... 9_xing.mpg
Completely different cars - flat 3L 12 cylinder normally aspirated Ferrari vs. V6 1.5L twin turbo Renault (if they had sequential gearboxes there would be no racing/overtaking…)
I considered the "old" qualifying system as my favorite, but it had two major issues. Firstly, nothing of real importance really happened until the last ten minutes of qualifying, when the real serious dogs got on the track and ran full out. Secondly, minor teams had very little TV exposure.
As far as TV exposure, maybe they ought to copy NASCAR where the TV announcers handle that responsibility.
But I always like the idea of the quickest cars battling for the pole, low fuel, qualifying setup, let's see how quick they really are.
I would like to see what David Hobbs proposed, that the session be split into four quarters, with each team required to participate in each quarter.
Qualifying used to be a race into itself. the grid wasn't determined by saturday's fuel. a mindardi gridding second might hope to turn in tenth at the end--perhaps a point. what will follow is something of a gearhead/fan rant, but I think that y'all'll understand. there are several issues i'll bring up
fans/sponsor(commercial) tv time-- don't make me throw a rod here. what is this sport about? why do we all follow it so closely? History. Technology. the Uttermost of the Puttermost. is this supposed to be competition or advertisement? How much better can a back marker do with ulitmate rubber down?
four quarters--screw that. three fifteen minutes with seven minutes between--alright four. who says quali needs to be an hour? each team has to run in all sessions. fastest lap is fastest lap.
three cars practicing--excluded from the top three/four teams.
Friday practice--three sessions with unlimited milage for all teams. NO MORE milage rules for engines or tires. F1=(mega)$(squared). Well, probably the same engine to truly prove the capability, but screw the fuel rule. quali should be balls out with barely enough fuel to get home. I grew up with a Lotus (not Caterham) 7 SII Big Valve, and it bahaves differently on fuel levels--and is ever so much more agile than I. Balance is balance.
Sequential shifting--the CART formula makes more sense as a rule to me. foot clutch for the pits, lever for the tranny. eliminate the levers on the wheel. they are making an appearance in road cars but most of us still shift with the good old four (five) on the floor. removing a hand from the wheel adds something that's been lost in modern racing--missed shift/loss of line.
Championships/Points--with the seemingly permanent change to the point structure bringing first and second so close together, bring back the points for pole and fast lap. the pole sitting team this year did not always win the race, neither did the fast lapper.
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I'm surprised nobody pointed out that Michael will benefit the most from these new rules.
Bahrain is rarely used, and when F1 comes to town, the track is very dusty and slippery, making it hard for a guy who comes out first to get a good qualifying time. And who is the guy coming out first? Well, it would've been the person who came in last in Chinese GP '05. So, who is this person?
MICHAEL!! (OK, when backmarkers change their drivers, those will be the ones that will have their cars out first, but if all F1 drivers remain the same, then what I wrote above would be true).
Then, there is this "new" rule which allows the use of the disposable tires. Bridgestone had problems, while Michelin walked away victorious on all but one race, so FIA decides to distance themselves from this "cost saving rule".
And, no, I'm not anti-Michael or anti-Ferrari (my nickname alone should clear any doubts), I just find it funny.
It wouldn't surprise me if this knockout qualifying survives only first couple of races and than becomes abandoned as confusing, too complicated etc.
I've already mentioned poll on pitpass where from over 1500 visitors 70% is against this system. FIA should really read these polls and act according to fans want. Only 15% of fans really likes it!
On FIA survey fans said that they are against 2005 one-lap qualifying system but they never said that they’d like to see what FIA is suggesting now. It is quite similar with CDG wing where demands of fans for more overtaking was taken as excuse for introduction of CDG while the truth is that majority of fans highly dislike both - knockout qualifying and CDG.
Wake up Mosley! Don’t wait 10 years before another FIA survey just to find that what you’re suggested sucks!
We need to examine exactly what Formula One is. Once upon a time, it was racing, done by racers, for racers, and racing fans. But today, it's much more than that, a multi billion dollar entertainment business. It's a heck of an entertaining show, watched by millions and millions each event. But not all are dedicated and passionate race fans, as most of us here are. And additionally, the prestige and aura of Formula One is used by manufacturers to promote their products to the masses, many who really aren't as interested in racing.
They have to put on a show, and the old one hour format had serious flaws in maintaing the attention of the fringe fans.
Most of us who find this web site are serious and dedicated fans, it would take something major to turn us off. Most of us would watch all of qualifying, no matter what the format. But what the rules makers intend is to draw in the fringe fans, those who need a full hour of excitement, or they would change channels. And I'm sure, they are the target of the rule changes.
This isn't for the purist, this is for excitement, to put on an entertaining show. And hopefully, the quicker cars will eventually wind up in the manner of their performance. But anything could, and probably will happen. It will be difficult to get in a good, clean, quick lap in the first session, with so many cars on track. There will be cries of foul, if a quick car gets messed up by slower cars, and doesn't even get past the first session. (It will happen at Monaco, where the whole field will be a shambles) I expect to see drivers in slower cars try too hard, and wind up off the track. There may be many red flags during qualifying sessions. It will be eventful, it will be exciting, and hopefully, the quicker cars will find their way to the front.
In this complex world, there are few simple solutions, most are compromises. And this new qualifying format definitely is a compromise.
Personally, I'm the type of fan who could watch just one car circulate the track, and enjoy and revel in watching man and machine work in harmony. But that being said, I also enjoy excitement, and this new format will deliver a package that will be full of excitement, where if you aren't in front of the TV for the full sixty minutes, you will definitely miss something.
I like the new format, I think it's a step in the right direction.
I'm not just saying this to be obtuse but I genuinely believe this qualifying format could be a real winner. Starts with all cars on track before five slowest are eliminated, then the next five are eliminated (these can then refuel and plan strategy as they see fit) where as the top ten will have to balance a good grid slot with how much fuel they want to burn to achieve it because they will have to start the race on the fuel they have left.
Am I the only person who thinks this looks quite exciting?
"Whether you think you can or can't, either way you are right."
-Henry Ford-
Don’t forget that “slowest cars” also considers fastest cars that spun or crash due to spilled oil, hit by another car etc. I say that 20 cars can’t be on track at the came time in a way that is results in realistic grid based on car’s and driver’s performance. There’ll be a mess on the track with too many innocent victims. Having grid mixed just for fun can be done better by assigning RND positions to drivers.
but I'd also like to see 1 hour open session.
(OK, when backmarkers change their drivers, those will be the ones that will have their cars out first, but if all F1 drivers remain the same, then what I wrote above would be true).
