2014 season: how would it be?

Post here all non technical related topics about Formula One. This includes race results, discussions, testing analysis etc. TV coverage and other personal questions should be in Off topic chat.
User avatar
Daliracing
4
Joined: 16 Sep 2013, 23:19

2014 season: how would it be?

Post

With the 2013 season ended yesterday, i would like to start a topic about the 2014 season. which team will do the best job? how will the cars look like? which engine will be the best? just feel free to comment. i would be nice to have a nice topic over the winter.

Grtz Daliracing

Manoah2u
Manoah2u
61
Joined: 24 Feb 2013, 14:07

Re: 2014 season: how would it be?

Post

I'll give it a go. :mrgreen:

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


TEAMS

RedBull Racing obviously after 4 consecutive Titles, AND a healthy financial backing from RedBull wealth will have enough investment to be guaranteed of having once again a front-running contender, and even though theý'll be affected somewhat by important team members leaving, I have no doubt the key role of Newey will keep them on the front.

Ferrari already stated the 2014 car is a tad 'low on downforce' and slippery, which is not good news actually, because you'd expect them after focussing midway season to 2014 that the most important feature for 2014 is mechanical grip with the new engines is key. Ferrari will once again find themselves struggling with a 2015 car, and only the qualities of Raikkonen and Alonso as experienced championship contenders will keep ferrari in the top 4. No championship for Ferrari 2014.

Mercedes will have the absolute benefit of a very powerful engine over the rest of the guys and will perhaps not have the absolute aero benefit of newey's 'genius', Mercedes will probably have the most technologically powerful car as a package.
I'm sure the 2014 season will have less tire impact, and the fact Hamilton has integrated well within the team, and the
fact Rosberg is right up there, will make them battle for both driver and constructor championship in 2014. I could even
see Ham and Ros clashing in the race for the championship.

Lotus will fall back significantly. The mess they're finding themselves in now is lethal for team moral, and losing Raikkonen's speed, and the less competetive Renault engine for 2014, paired with financial woes will leave them with
a driver pairing that is only able to keep them on the grid rather then competetive as they were this year. Lotus will
fall back, and it'll take some time for them to crawl back.

Mclaren will remain where they are now, as I think they've been building a platform even this year to focus on the 2014 season. They somehow found speed again and they'll take that to next year. They won't battle for championship, but they'll
be right behind Redbull and Mercedes, fighting with Ferrari for 3rd in WCC, whilst preparing for immediate championship contending 2015 with Honda. Don't underestimate Honda's engine for 2015, it might just be the most powerfull then.

Williams, contrary to what i stated and thought before, might just suddenly jump all the way to the front of the midfield.
Felipe has regained his 'drive' to perform and Bottas suddenly seems to flourish. Williams seems to found lots of speed since they accidentally discovered dropping the coanda exhaust has benefitted them hugely. They'll have the benefit of a powerful Mercedes engine, Mercedes technical assistance, their innovative gearbox, their experience with KERS/ERS, and
they still have some lucrative backing left from the PDVSA history. Important figures from other teams have moved to Williams, and because of Toto Wolff's wife Susie Wolff's precense, they'll get some crucial development information played
to them by exchange of technological experience and discoveries coming season.

Force India will keep their stable run and keep the benefit of Merc. They'll battle Williams and lotus. They'll probably have a dull constant season with a few suprise runs in Australia, Spa and Brazil. They'll stay just where they are.

Sauber will fall back just a little because of their financial insecurity. The driver pairing won't help them much even though
they'll benefit from a matured Guiterrez. Their problem mainly will be the Ferrari engine which will prove to be very unreliable, and they'll have kers issues. They'll have a very aerodynamical sound car, packed and designed very nifty,
and the return of Peter Sauber will give them a stable situation which will grant them benefit into 2015. Unfortunately,
Sauber's designers will be attracted by Ferrari's money and the re-organisation that they'll be having for 2015, leaving
Sauber 2015 without their key developers.

Toro Rosso will fall to the back of the grid because of less involvement by RedBull, and the switch from Ferrari engines to Renault engines, having to adapt to the new formula and suppliers never has been their strong point. They'll lack a load
of mechanical downforce and the Renault engine will be reliable but miss out on top speed. They'll only benefit on low downforce tracks. The rest of the year they'll benefit from Vergne's experience, but will lose out with Kvyat's constant trips
off track.

Marussia will not benefit from their switch to Ferrari engines since they'll prove unreliable and they'll have trouble with their
tecnical package. They'll have a very sound and aerodynamical car nonetheless, but will lack the possibility to develop that car and will find themselves needing to design a completely different car for 2015, as the 2014 car will be very similar to the 2013 car, and will prove to be too heavy.

Caterham will find themselves right up there with toro rosso and start sniffing to the back of the midfield. They'll have been expecting not to finish in front of marussia for 2013 halfway season and the fact they'll have first crash test shows
they're far ahead in the development of their 2014 package. They've been benefitting from kovalainen's technical input,
and vanderGarde's developing as a driver. Ericsson will bring sponsoring and hunger, and they'll benefit from Renault's
reliability and tech input. I expect them to be eyeing in on getting a Honda engine for 2016, as Honda will remain their
exclusivity to Mclaren for the front-running, Mclaren will have no problem with Caterham getting a Honda engine for 2016,
getting Caterham pacefully to the midfield in 2016 dropping the green-yellow livery to a White-orange livery.

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


ENGINES

Mercedes will by far have the strongest engine and they'll have little reliability issues, the engine however might pose some
issues on transferring it correctly to the track.

Renault will not have the strongest engine, and probably lack top-end capability, but will have the most reliable engine. They'll be easier to transfer to the track and as such, strong mechanical grip will not be too important.

Ferrari will have a unreliable engine that turns out to be heavier then the rest. They'll have good top end power, but lack
torque figures and will rely hugely on mechanical grip of the car, which the works team will miss out on.

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


TIRES

Pirelli will not have the extreme situations we had this year at the start, but will have tires at the beginning of the season that show high degredation due to the difficulty to transfer the torque to the track. The FIA probably needs to respond to this by allowing teams to get more tires supplied unlike was the intention, they might have to change the rules for it a bit.
Halfway season they'll provide 'improved' tires which unfortunately will not benefit the teams as they've adapted themselves
to the tires and will leave some teams in the cold. Halfway season we'll have tires ripping appart from the rear due to the torque figures of the turbo engines, and we could once again see delamination on a front-running car at topspeed after
some other cars will have tires failing and having to end the race prematurely.
It'll announce the departure of Pirelli for 2015 and Michelin's return for 2016 paired with another supplier, to re-ignite tire wars in the hope they'll give more input in providing safe, performing, yet exciting tires, because they'll have to compete to eachother they'll take it more seriously, as they will recieve prize money.

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


Politics

Bernie will against all expectations be found guilty (even though no 'punishment' will be handed to him except
for a ginormeous fine and he'll have to pay millions to the company that supposedly lost out because of missing the deal),
so in essence, it'll just be a loss of face to bernie and a loss of money, however, CVC will keep word and ban him, to please
shareholders leaving Bernie empty-handed.
Bernie will in the meanwhile appeal the court's verdict and have backing from the FIA, teams and Circuits.
There will be a temporal replacement for Bernie, whom will be tied closely to Bernie, essentially keeping Bernie in
control, yet will keep CVC's face the way they want it to be, unless Bernie's banning from F1 by CVC will make them clash
against echother and Bernie will open up a can of negative publicity and shock-stories that'll ruin CVC's image.
If that happens, Bernie will appeal CVC's decision to ban Bernie in court, and Bernie will win that appeal,
leaving him still the key role in F1 commercial rights, yet he will convince Horner to replace him when the next concorde
agreement is coming into play.
It'll put F1 in a difficult time as it'll hold an uncertain future.

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


SUMMARY

It'll thus be an exciting year, with lots of engine failures, engines catching fire and exploding, tires shredding to pieces, having teams clash with pirelli, we'll have another year of Alonso dissapoint with Ferrari, clashing with both Ferrari and Raikkonen, Ricciardo will fail hugely before being replaced by Alonso to Redbull midway season, as Ferrari dumps him ala Alain Prost-style, and Hulkenberg then coming into Ferrari to replace Alonso. Teams will talk to media about the differences in engine power, stating Mercedes will have an unfair benefit to the other teams. Rosberg and Hamilton will clash midway season in the search for the Title, and Brawn
will not be there to 'control' it at Mercedes. Redbull will benefit from the clashes within Ferrari and Mercedes, once again tipping Vettel to the Title and gaining Alonso midway season. Maldonado will crash hugely making him get a race ban alike Romain before,
even though he'll perform well when he's not bumpercarting. He'll arrogantly state Williams' success is due to his input and
PDVSA money. Perez will leave F1 in 2014 to race for Nascar.
Ross Brawn will pop up at a F1 team again, either Ferrari or Mclaren, probably MClaren.
Domenicali's last year as team principle. Same goes for Whitmarsh upon Honda's pressure.

Championship results

1. RedBull
2. Mercedes
3. Mclaren
4. Ferrari
5. Williams
6. Force India
7. Lotus
8. Sauber
9. Caterham
10 Toro Rosso
11 Marussia

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


Obviously, its merely fantasy going loose, and pure speculation. We'll see. :arrow:
But Alonso clashing hugely with Ferrari is almost a certainty.

Now you guys :D :arrow:
Last edited by Manoah2u on 25 Nov 2013, 17:03, edited 1 time in total.
"Explain the ending to F1 in football terms"
"Hamilton was beating Verstappen 7-0, then the ref decided F%$& rules, next goal wins
while also sending off 4 Hamilton players to make it more interesting"

User avatar
dren
227
Joined: 03 Mar 2010, 14:14

Re: 2014 season: how would it be?

Post

I do expect Williams to be much improved. It will be interesting at the front. I also expect Mclaren to have a resurgence. I expect Mercedes to challenge for poles and an occasional win, just like this year.
Honda!

skoop
skoop
7
Joined: 04 Feb 2013, 16:46

Re: 2014 season: how would it be?

Post

let the guessing begin :)

i say we'll see red bull/mercedes/ferrari/mclaren very close at the front. they have the money and ressources to develop. they can try different directions and see what fits best. the smaller teams can't afford that as much as the big teams.
lotus will be best of the rest. expect fi/wi/tr/sau to be pretty equal. i hope for mar & cat to really improve and catch up to the midfield, but i don't think that'll happen.
maybe we'll see a surprise, becouse some midfield team found something, bit i doubt that, too :)

User avatar
Daliracing
4
Joined: 16 Sep 2013, 23:19

Re: 2014 season: how would it be?

Post

thanx for the replies :D i douth that red bull will still be on front because the engine. i hope renault build a good engine for them but we will see :D

Gerhard Berger
Gerhard Berger
-1
Joined: 20 Sep 2010, 11:17

Re: 2014 season: how would it be?

Post

I remember at the end of 2008, people were predicting for 2009 hamilton vs ferraris vs resurgent alonso and renault vs BMWs reaching their peak. Of course it didn't play out like that. I don't think people really expected 2 teams from the lower end of the midfield in 2008 to be fighting for the championships in 2009, but that is what happened.

Forget the engines, the loss of EBD will surely bring Red Bull back to the competition.

User avatar
Daliracing
4
Joined: 16 Sep 2013, 23:19

Re: 2014 season: how would it be?

Post

Gerhard Berger wrote:I remember at the end of 2008, people were predicting for 2009 hamilton vs ferraris vs resurgent alonso and renault vs BMWs reaching their peak. Of course it didn't play out like that. I don't think people really expected 2 teams from the lower end of the midfield in 2008 to be fighting for the championships in 2009, but that is what happened.

Forget the engines, the loss of EBD will surely bring Red Bull back to the competition.
maybe a stupid question but what do you mean with EBD? :oops:

Richard
Richard
Moderator
Joined: 15 Apr 2009, 14:41
Location: UK

Re: 2014 season: how would it be?

Post

Exhaust Blown Diffuser

xpensive
xpensive
214
Joined: 22 Nov 2008, 18:06
Location: Somewhere in Scandinavia

Re: 2014 season: how would it be?

Post

richard_leeds wrote:Exhaust Blown Diffuser
Which seems to become a bit of a challenge with next year's chimney-like xhaust, but who knows?
"I spent most of my money on wine and women...I wasted the rest"

User avatar
Daliracing
4
Joined: 16 Sep 2013, 23:19

Re: 2014 season: how would it be?

Post

richard_leeds wrote:Exhaust Blown Diffuser
thank you :D

Manoah2u
Manoah2u
61
Joined: 24 Feb 2013, 14:07

Re: 2014 season: how would it be?

Post

Gerhard Berger wrote:Forget the engines, the loss of EBD will surely bring Red Bull back to the competition.
How will the loss of exhaust blown diffusers bring red bull 'back' to the competition if they have been in
competition contineously since 2009 with winning every championship since 2010? essentially thus not
have been out of competition?

If any i'd say they'd be more subject to lose a lot of competitive speed due to the EBDs?
"Explain the ending to F1 in football terms"
"Hamilton was beating Verstappen 7-0, then the ref decided F%$& rules, next goal wins
while also sending off 4 Hamilton players to make it more interesting"

User avatar
Daliracing
4
Joined: 16 Sep 2013, 23:19

Re: 2014 season: how would it be?

Post

Manoah2u wrote:If any i'd say they'd be more subject to lose a lot of competitive speed due to the EBDs?
thats a challenge for Newey, he's great and i guess he will come up with something. in 2009 RB wasn't that slower without the Double Diffusor. but still 2014 has a lot more changes then 2009

langwadt
langwadt
35
Joined: 25 Mar 2012, 14:54

Re: 2014 season: how would it be?

Post

Manoah2u wrote:
Gerhard Berger wrote:Forget the engines, the loss of EBD will surely bring Red Bull back to the competition.
How will the loss of exhaust blown diffusers bring red bull 'back' to the competition if they have been in
competition contineously since 2009 with winning every championship since 2010? essentially thus not
have been out of competition?

If any i'd say they'd be more subject to lose a lot of competitive speed due to the EBDs?
I might be wrong but from the context that was how I read it,
RB is in front of the competition and the loss of ebd might bring them back as in they will not be so
much in front

User avatar
dren
227
Joined: 03 Mar 2010, 14:14

Re: 2014 season: how would it be?

Post

Gerhard Berger wrote:I remember at the end of 2008, people were predicting for 2009 hamilton vs ferraris vs resurgent alonso and renault vs BMWs reaching their peak. Of course it didn't play out like that. I don't think people really expected 2 teams from the lower end of the midfield in 2008 to be fighting for the championships in 2009, but that is what happened.

Forget the engines, the loss of EBD will surely bring Red Bull back to the competition.
I actually predicted a Button WDC in 2009 :)
Honda!

User avatar
dren
227
Joined: 03 Mar 2010, 14:14

Re: 2014 season: how would it be?

Post

richard_leeds wrote:Exhaust Blown Diffuser
Exhaust blown turbine, maybe?
Honda!