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Who knows how long it will stay in F1, lots of people want it gone and people say it's hard to police. I reckon not long before it is outlawed (they will find a way to police it).
As for what will replace it - hopefully traction control will be replaced with no traction control
But you are asking what type of traction control will you replace traction control with There's your answer, if it removes control from the driver's command to prevent/limit loss of traction at the driven wheels - it IS traction control however it is achieved.
SAY NO TO TRACTION CONTROL.. i wanna see drivers that make mistakes losing its tail.. now i think they can just go into the corner and just floor it and the computer will do the rest..
I agree that F1 would be nicer without traction control but I think it will take a while to find a way to police it. It is just some software, it's hard to find. The FIA will need to develop some high-tech equipement to trace it i think. I can't wait to see how they will handle those 900horses in the rain...
Show that you're a loser with a lot of money who can't get a racing license, drive the Gumball 3000...
Alexis wrote:I agree that F1 would be nicer without traction control but I think it will take a while to find a way to police it. It is just some software, it's hard to find. The FIA will need to develop some high-tech equipement to trace it i think.
Dr. Mario Thiessen doesn't seem to think so.
"People say that the manufacturers insist on retaining traction control, because their road cars have it and so on, but of course I can understand why the fans hate it. And it's not really a conflict: and at BMW we can certainly live without traction control, because we see F1 not just as a technology showcase, but also a sport - and you have to make sure that it's good sport. We could get rid of traction control without a standard ECU. The manufacturers and teams have talked about that - and we've come up with a proposal as to how it should be achieved. It needs refining but it can be done. And I can see it happening. Actually, banning it now would have less effect this year, because you only have a 750 horsepower and a small capacity engine - which means low bottom end power - you won't really need it! It's the best traction control you can have."
"Whether you think you can or can't, either way you are right."
-Henry Ford-
I suppose 900 real horses would be near immpossible to control, and would cover at least 10mile square.
Murphy's 9th Law of Technology:
Tell a man there are 300 million stars in the universe and he'll believe you. Tell him a bench has wet paint on it and he'll have to touch to be sure.
Theissen is BMW's point man for their Formula One effort. I do not wish to call his integrity into question, but you must always remember that he is paid big bucks to do a job. So you must take his comments in the proper context, and understand who he really represents. And if you read his comments, he isn't flat out denying that they don't have (or contemplate) traction control, he just puts forth an argument that on the surface appears believable.
Yes, it's true the new V-8'd have less power and torque than the previous V-10's. But hey, whoa.. you don't think that 750 HP doesn't have the ability to take the rear tires to their adhesion limits, especially accelerating out of a slow, tight corner, or in road conditions with less than optimal grip? (rain, sandy track)? And there are ways to mask traction control to the casual observer. It isn't just the sound of cylinders cutting out that indicates the use of traction control. With drive-by-wire throttle, the computer can just retard the throttle demands from the driver.
Only when I see a car get shaky coming out of a tight corner, witness the rear end jump around, a tire spin, or even the occasion spin exiting a corner, will I sincerely believe that traction control no longer exists.
We know that anti-lock brakes no longer exist because we see on a very regular basis drivers locking up the front ends under braking... it led to Kimi's downfall at one race.
In summation, sometimes don't believe the words or public relations exercises, base your opinion on observation of what the cars are doing on the track.
I assume you're talking about Nurburgring 2005?...he locked up, flat-spotted the tyre, this caused vibration, first corner of last lap his front right suspension..er...expolded lol.
Silence is golden when you don't know a good answer.
Hands up who saw that coming!
Can remember poor Mika Hakkinen blowing an engine on the last lap a few years ago.
It must be something to do with the Mclaren.
Murphy's 9th Law of Technology:
Tell a man there are 300 million stars in the universe and he'll believe you. Tell him a bench has wet paint on it and he'll have to touch to be sure.
Can remember poor Mika Hakkinen blowing an engine on the last lap a few years ago.
I assume you're talking about Spain 2001, when his clutch failed on the last lep on (I think..) the road between the SEAT hairpin and the chicane after it.
Silence is golden when you don't know a good answer.
There's your answer, if it removes control from the driver's command to prevent/limit loss of traction at the driven wheels - it IS traction control however it is achieved.
