Grrrrrr!!!

[Scuderia_Russ]

This sort of thing really makes me want to spit blood! It's no different than if I moved next to an Army firing range and then complained about the noise.

From of Autosport.com

Racing at Monza under threat

By Michele Lostia November 16th 2005, 12:37 GMT


Racing at the Monza circuit has been put under threat after a civil court in Milan ruled that all competitions will be forced to keep the noise level down.

The decision comes after a group of Monza residents filed a formal complaint in 2001 about the noises coming from the historic circuit, which hosts the Italian Grand Prix.

Gazzetta dello Sport reports that, following the ruling, testing and racing without a suitable system to reduce the noise levels will be temporarily banned.

"We've learned of the verdict through the papers. As soon as we know the details we'll decide what to do," Giorgio Beghella Bartoli, director of the Monza autodrome, told Gazzetta dello Sport.

"We've always respected the limits set by the law and we'll do so this time too. We'll decide with our lawyers based on what the law indicates," he added in reference to the Italian Grand Prix being under threat.

The Italian circuit is hosting the Monza Rally this weekend, but Beghella Bartoli sounded confident the event will go ahead as planned.

"At the moment I don't think we risk cancelation," he said. "If such a possibility should be about to occur, then we'll see with our lawyers whether we can appeal it or ask for a suspension."

[RH1300S]

How ironic, only two days ago I was looking at a satellite picture of Monza and the thought came to me: "how brilliant, only the Italians could love cars so much that they test F1 cars so close to houses"

I reckon if you move near a race track - put up & shut up.

Same problems in the UK - Castle Coombe is having a helluva problem right now, Brands has issues, so too Oulton Park, Donnington Park and so on...........I think grounds for reasonableness on both sides, but the weight seems to come down in favour of people who knowingly bought house close to race tracks

[Scuderia_Russ]

I read that a team of TVR's got pulled from a race after practice for been about 3dB over the limit or something stupid. The last I heard they were reevaluating their position in the respective championship. Some people are only happy if they are unhappy... if you see what I mean.

[f1.redbaron]

I would honestly like to meet those people who complained and ask them "what were you thinking when you bought this house?"

Of course, they are forgetting that some rich enthusiasts who are willing to pay top dollar for the property next to the track.

[manchild]

If they have problem with noise I’ll gladly trade my house for the one near Monza (most of the forum visitors probably would)

[johny]

yep, no problem for me if a f1 wakes me up

[West]

They probably weren't Italian or heard of Ferrari.

[yzfr7]

"We've always respected the limits set by the law and we'll do so this time too"

What does he mean? F1 with silencers?

[Alexis]

WTF? I don't get why these people are complaining now because of the loud noise of the track. The track has been there for many many many years and in 2001 they start complaining??? If u buy a house near a racing circuit I think it's quite normal there's some noise. Some motorsport hating people seem to be really stupid....

The inhabitants of Monza should be very happy with the track: it has a rich history, is good for commerce and it puts Monza on the map (who would know monza if there was no track...)

Some people really try to kill motorsports. I hate those idiots who say: It's bad for the environment, it's dangerous and is not a real sport. To all those weeners:

1: environment? Every day there are more than 60000000 cars on the road in western europe, well that's bad for the environment... not those 30 cars on the track!
2: It's not so dangerous as u think, cycing for example is more dangerous.
3: It are real sports, F1 drivers for example all have an outstanding physical condition.

Sorry but this kind of nonsense pisses me off.

[manchild]

I agree.

Unleaded cars are blamed for pollution while no one mentions 50 years of nuke tests which have damaged the environment and climate on earth incomparable with any other form of pollution. Spray cans vs. 500 KT nuke (and how many of them).

What about wars or almost 10.000 cars burned in France in couple of weeks? How long would it take for unleaded cars to pollute atmosphere as much as burned cars did?

No one blames fanatics, terrorists, armies and governments for pollution while second rate polluters take the whole burden. EU is even keen to finance and invest in those structures of French society who have caused huge pollution in just several weeks. I think that they should pay for it and face punishment instead of being cuddled.

Or is it that no one cares about those innocent people who will get cancer because of this and other pollutions?! Should we all go out and burn several cars in order to get financed by EU?

Can someone calculate just approximate amount of pollution when 10.000 cars are burned? That is 50.000 pneumatics, at least 200.000 liters of fuel and oil including tons of plastic, rubber, paint etc. How much money and how long will it take to get rid of consequences of this pollution?

That should be the top theme at the moment for "greens" in Europe, not Monza and F1!

[RH1300S]

Courtesy of http://www.grandprix.com:

Maybe that special brand of Italian "common sense" will prevail

Noisy old Monza

The Autodromo Nazionale in Monza has been there since 1922 and so anyone who is old enough to remember the place without the speedway is going to be well into his or her eighties and probably not having quite as good hearing as younger folk. Thus it is fair to say that everyone who lives within earshot of Monza knows that from time to time there is going to be noise. If they want guaranteed peace and quiet, they should move to the countryside somewhere else. Monza is an international mecca for motor racing fans and if it were not for the race track the only thing the city would have as a claim to fame in recent years was that its member of parliament is Ilona Staller, better known as Cicciolina (which means cuddles) who was formerly involved in the adult movie business and apparently did rather more than just cuddle. In 1978 her breasts were the first to be seen bared on Italian TV. Having the speedway is probably not a bad idea to deflect attention.

Alas, some residents of the village of Biassono have made an official complaint about noise from the Autrodromo and they have found a friendly ear with Milan magistrate Marco Manunta who has ruled that the Italian Grand Prix is a "socially-useless activity that has a major impact on the environment". Manunta has thus ruled that the circuit comply with certain noise restrictions which would make it impossible for the Grand Prix to take place. This is all very worthy but the last time the Italian Grand Prix was threatened the Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi becamer personally involved in the issue and ended up chopping down trees in the Monza park (or at least allowed others to do so) and gave Bernie Ecclestone and Max Mosley medals for being so understanding. If Manunta thinks that his intervention is going tgo make a difference he should perhaps take a look at the Italian Prime Minister's previous dealings with the judiciary and realise that he's wasting his time - unless of course he only wants to see his name in the papers.

[DaveKillens]

The Milan magistrate had upheld a group of local residents' complaint by ruling that motor racing is 'a superfluous, dangerous and socially useless activity with a big impact on the environment.'
http://www.f1racing.net/en/news.php?newsID=103507

Let's face it, these people are not race fans, this is a conflict of perception and attitudes.

Speaking as a non-Italian but respectful of their heritage, one of things that makes Italy unique is this rich and diversified heritage. Monza is definitely part of it, and they may as well tear down the Coliseum too.

[f1.redbaron]

So, should we expect the citizens of Monaco to stage protests against the Royal family for being behind all those F1 races in the past?

It's unreal how some people have nothing better to do than bitch, bitch, bitch...

[manchild]

True

Without influence from Modena (Ferrari, Lamborghini, DeTomaso, Masserati) and without FIAT, Italian mainland would have same economic “quality” as Sicily. They should really put those houses on sale if they don’t like their position and get rich in a flash.

[Guest]

It's so funny to see how many (all?) people here think themselves as being able to 'think outside the box' and actually should be given a shot at some sort of job in F1... but even fail to see someone else's point of view. Or how a story has been taken out of context by the press.
The F1 race itself is not under threat as it far too costly not to hold the event (loss of revenue, Bernie fines, loss of face, etc.) Special dispensation will be given for the F1 race to be held, whatever the laws stipulate.
No consideration by the members of this forum of the increase of use of the circuit throughout the years; Compared to even 10 years ago, the amount of noise generated will have increased significantly.. not just at weekends but during the week as well. Ah well, don't worry... just sell the house, change your life and move somewhere else.. you've only build your life there for the last 15 years or so.... (Yes some less, but quite a few more as well)
And to describe FIAT (and a few elite car manufactories) as the driving economic force of the whole of Italy..... mmmmm Given the state of FIAT I think the whole of Italy can be glad that that statement is just a tat ott.