In new Knock Out qualifying how r they going to place cars

ss.vamsikrishna · Post 16 Dec 2005, 07:32

In new Knock Out qualifying how r they going to place all the 20 cars
i mean sb who starts in the front will not have traffic right............so he will win, i mean how they r going to take care of this..............

Principessa · Post 16 Dec 2005, 15:25

The cars will normally be placed by place of the last GP. So if for example the GP of Bahrain:

1. Alonso
2. Raikkonen
...
20. Albers

Then will Albers stand last on the grid before qualifying for the following race and Alonso on 'pole' with Raikkonen next to him.

That's how I've read it...but I'm not sure.

And I don't know how they'll do it for the first race, will they look back to the results of the GP of China? Or will they be placed by number?

RH1300S · Post 16 Dec 2005, 16:30

The way I read it was like this.....for a 20 car grid

First 15mins - ALL cars are permitted onto the track in low fuel trim. This would be a bit like the old days with teams judging the best moment to go.

Slowest 5 cars removed from qualifying (6 for 22 car grid)

5 minute gap - top up fuel & fluids

Next 15 mins - The remaining cars run through the same procedure with timing starting from scratch at the beginning of the session

Slowest 5 cars removed from qualifying (6 for 22 car grid)

5 minute gap - top up fuel & fluids

Ten remaining cars are on track for the last 20mins with race fuel and a shoot-out for pole

So, the finish position of the last race is nor relevant with these new rules

Guest · Post 16 Dec 2005, 18:18

I think he ment how the cars have to start qualifying...not what the format is

DaveKillens · Post 16 Dec 2005, 18:52

If there had not been a change in the qualifying format, for the first race of the season, the cars would have been sent out in reverse order of how they finished the season. So it would have been Alonso last, with Kimi before him, etc.
I do wonder how having to change an engine would affect team strategy. Last year, Kimi's car had quite a few engine changes before the race, and he had to lose ten positions. If this happened now, I wonder just how the team would deal with it.
I wonder how many teams would opt to qualify under the top ten so they could start the race with optimal fuel and fluids.

RH1300S · Post 16 Dec 2005, 18:53

Anonymous wrote:I think he ment how the cars have to start qualifying...not what the format is

Exactly, I don't believe they are running single laps in the sessions at all, it's a free for all. So, everyone hits the track when it suits them.

I understand the question, I may have provided the wrong answer - but I don't think so

DaveKillens · Post 16 Dec 2005, 21:26

It will be a free for all. Anyone and everyone on the track. But as hoped, the slower cars will be weeded out, and the quick cars will rise to the top. All they have to do is post respectable times for the first two sessions, and then, in the last session (with a lot less cars on the track), go for broke, and hope to post that clean, quick lap for qualifying. The odds of some dolt just circulating and ruining a quick lap should be eliminated.

f1.redbaron · Post 16 Dec 2005, 21:57

DaveKillens wrote:If there had not been a change in the qualifying format, for the first race of the season, the cars would have been sent out in reverse order of how they finished the season. So it would have been Alonso last, with Kimi before him, etc.

While I agree that that format makes sense, as I had mentioned it before, last year in Australia they were starting in reverse order of how they finished the last RACE of the previous season and not the season as a whole.

ss.vamsikrishna · Post 19 Dec 2005, 06:36

but guys since if alonso will be standing in the front he will not have any traffic right so he will win, qualifying is supposed to be no traffic in the front
so how r they going to manage this in the new knockout qualifying......that is my whole big doubt

RH1300S · Post 19 Dec 2005, 14:17

ss.vamsikrishna wrote:but guys since if alonso will be standing in the front he will not have any traffic right so he will win, qualifying is supposed to be no traffic in the front
so how r they going to manage this in the new knockout qualifying......that is my whole big doubt

You need to forget the idea that qualifying is one-by-one. It is now back to the old style, where you have to get your qualy lap within an allotted time. You go out when you chose....there may be 20 cars on track or just one. The old free for all one hour qualifying made fascinating watching as drivers did their best to find a window in the traffic to make a time.

Principessa · Post 19 Dec 2005, 14:46

http://www.f1technical.net/news/1504

RH1300S · Post 19 Dec 2005, 15:55

Thanks for the link...I hope that answers all questions (although I thought we had already covered that

).

Interesting last stage...........

"In the first two 15-minute sessions, cars may run any fuel load and drivers knocked out after those sessions may refuel ahead of the race. However, the top-ten drivers must begin the final 20-minute session with the fuel load on which they plan to start the race. They will be weighed before they leave the pits, and whatever fuel they use in the 20 minutes may be replaced at the end of the session."

So, what to do..........you can re-fuel, but must do so to the pre-session level. I reckon you will see lots of track action as cars will be trying to use as much fuel as possible (laps!) before that crucial final charge. Anyone for fuel maps that dump ----loads of the stuff on the overrun?

f1.redbaron · Post 20 Dec 2005, 01:06

RH1300S wrote:Anyone for fuel maps that dump ----loads of the stuff on the overrun?

Seriously, though, would something like that be allowed? I would imagine not, but you never know if there is a loophole in the FIA rulebook. Aside from turning the mixture to full rich, is there a way to use up massive amounts of fuel in a short period of time (without seriously damaging the engine)?