Kimi in Toyota?

manchild · Post 25 Dec 2005, 23:19

It is all over the web but unconfirmed

Fisichella in Ferrari 2007? There are even rumors that Kimi might end up in Renault!

fwa2500 · Post 26 Dec 2005, 04:48

i always had a feeling fisi would make that move....now lets see if it happens....

f1.redbaron · Post 26 Dec 2005, 22:34

Red Bull and Toyota are the teams to drive for if you want a secure team with a chance of winning the World Championship - that is my opinion, anyways.

I would love to see Trulli and Raikkonen driving for "my" team

Guest · Post 27 Dec 2005, 11:58

Fisi is going nowhere unless he has a stellar season next year.

/ Fx

Scuderia_Russ · Post 27 Dec 2005, 13:46

Am I the only person that thinks Fissi is amazingly average and that Ferrari would be better off signing Trulli? (Unless they want to ditch Ralf of course)

manchild · Post 27 Dec 2005, 15:43

He isn’t average but too tired from F1. Too long in F1 without a chance for title fight...

pompelmo · Post 27 Dec 2005, 15:53

ONLY ROUMORS!!

DaveKillens · Post 28 Dec 2005, 16:14

This can make sense, because obviously Honda and Toyota are spending cash in a battle for Japanese F1 supremecy. I'm sure that somewhere Kimi has been told by Toyota "we can match any offer, then beat it"

Guest · Post 28 Dec 2005, 16:30

I can see why Toyota would want Kimi (and MAYBE why he might go there), but I don't get the Fisi/Ferrari thing. Nice driver, but where is that animal instinct to win? I don't see how Ferrari could gain from having Fisi (Trulli is a better bet - and plenty of others too).

If you were Kimi, it would be a huge risk going to Toyota. On the one hand, Toyota being Toyota - they WILL win ONE DAY; but on the other hand - when you are good enough to have a championship in you NOW, why go to a maybe team? You need to be in a winning car next season and the season after that. Kimi is not a good young driver who can grow into a developing team. He's top line stuff and needs and deserves that championship chance every year until he gets it.

Alexis · Post 28 Dec 2005, 19:56

Fissi to Ferrari... Could be interesting, an Italian in an Italian team. I'm really wondering how the tifosi would behave in Monza.

. I was a bit surprised of Fissi's results last year, I expected him to do better. I mean he was always good in the Sauber and the other cars. Of course there were the rumours that Flavio was giving Alonso an advantage but they're hard to believe. Maybe he becomes more motivated when he goes to Ferrari and maybe his racing instinct comes back then.

Kimi to Toyota? Possible because of Toyota's big dollars and of course Toyota want's to do better than Honda. But still I don't think that they will be at the top next year so why should kimi go there? I don't think he needs the money that hard.

Quite complicated ,I'm getting a headache let's just wait and see

f1.redbaron · Post 28 Dec 2005, 23:56

Alexis wrote: Kimi to Toyota? Possible because of Toyota's big dollars and of course Toyota want's to do better than Honda. But still I don't think that they will be at the top next year so why should kimi go there? I don't think he needs the money that hard.

Why? Because they have a bright future. There isn't a company out there (in automotive industry) that can engage in a "monetary fight" with Toyota. They have a goal and that is to win the F1 championship. They will do it...maybe not the next year, but it will happen...it should!

Red Bull has even less experience with F1 and yet they are the team to drive for - right now, anyways! They might not win any races next year, but not too many teams will be able to see them in their rear-view mirrors after Newey takes over (so, post 2006).

Guest · Post 29 Dec 2005, 00:35

f1.redbaron wrote:...They have a goal and that is to win the F1 championship. They will do it...maybe not the next year, but it will happen...it should!...

Not necessarily. For example Peugeot failed to win a single race in F1 as engine supplier only. They had huge motorsport experience and they’ve been in F1 for almost a decade with no luck – Mclaren, Jordan, Prost… They’ve also arrived in F1 after dominating 24 Le Mans and Group C which is similar to Toyota’s journey. Mercedes was also there hiding under Sauber’s skin at first (concept by Mercedes) and it also had to wait 6 or 7 seasons for first victory and almost a decade for WCC and WDC.

Perhaps Toyota can afford to wait for the title as much as it takes but than they’ll prove nothing if they win WCC many seasons after they’ve planed. I think I’ve read on their site that 2006 for them is “the year” just like 2005 was for Renault (planned). They can make good car for 2006 but I don’t think that either Ralf or Jarno have the quality for a balanced season performance. Only way for Toyota to win would be a superior car which would forgive driver's errors which goes for Jarno but making a crash-proof car for Ralf is utopia.

manchild · Post 29 Dec 2005, 00:36

That was me, sorry...

Guest · Post 29 Dec 2005, 05:25

If Adrian Newey is all that super then why has his cars failed to win a championship for the last 6 years ?

Maybe Red Bull will have a really fast car next year that has alot of engine failures, who knows but Adrians cars has yet to win a championship this millenium.

/ Fx

icef1mkd · Post 29 Dec 2005, 10:59

I don't like a champion who has bought his success only with cash. Toyota in F1 is just like Roman Abramovich in football. They can't rely only on their own engineering resources, so the cash will do the trick. That's understandable because they don't have the X - factor to win in F1.

Look at Renault instead. Much less budget, then the key people left the team (Gascoyne, His, Dudot, Smith........), and they still did it.