Life of an engine

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Principessa
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Life of an engine

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For those who haven't seen it yet:

http://www.hondaracingf1.com/en/index.php?section=128

Enjoy...
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terrorist22
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Are the new V8 rules one-race or two-race engines?

manchild
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2 and they are planned to be extended to 3 in 2008 I think.

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jezzwa
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and they think that will reduce costs, where is their sence of logic, long life means more testing..... :roll:
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Sawtooth-spike
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engines last 3 races will make races more boring, cus nobody will push there engine to its limits on races one and two becasue of the risk.
I Still think the cost cutting thing is pointless, Its F1, If you cant afford to be in go do formula ford or something like that.

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I agree...F1 is the pinicle of motorsport. The pinacle of motorsport does not run cars hich arent up to the highest levels of current technology. I can understand getting rid of Traction Control & Lauch Contol etc....they are electrical AIDS to the driver, they dont actually make the CAR itself fundamentally faster. (with the exception of Active Suspension)

But to remove aero-flicks etc to "reduce costs" is rediculous. If you cannot afford to make a car that competes at the highest level then dont!
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Scuderia_Russ
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manchild wrote:2 and they are planned to be extended to 3 in 2008 I think.
This plus four race gearboxes.

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Sawtooth-spike
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The Gear box thing is just a pointless. The one that killed me was the limiting the Body work changes. anyways thats off topic.
i think the 1 engine per weekend rule was ok, cus it stopped all the stuff with Qualifying engines and stuff.
I still think they should open the engine rule up alot more, so teams can develop new engines and push the limits.
I believe in the chain of command, Its the chain I use to beat you till you do what i want!!!

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jezzwa
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Its amazing how people get so passionate about their sport, GOTTA LOVE IT :P
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manchild
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I agree, F1 always had at least two times more HP than any car on the market. In ‘80s it had 1000-1500 HP while Ferrari and Lamborghini super-cars had less than 400. Nowadays, F1 has less than 800 hp while AMG and M series have over 600 HP. Not to mention new Bugatti or other super-cars.

F1 is about racing while FIA thinks that it can exist just as name for money making without what always made it what it is.

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Spencifer_Murphy
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Uh Oh...Manchild is getting worked up about the FIA again! :lol:

But I must agree...cost cutting is mad.

Back to topic tho...I do agree the 4race gearboxes is madness, I really dont understand the piont! Its just going to raise costs further and not THAT may race retirements are caused by gearbox faliures (more often its Engine / Hydraulics). I just dont understand it.
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terrorist22
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The sport is becoming dumber and slower at the same time. Soon, it will end up like the special olympics: you may have won it, but you're still retarded (yes I know everybody has heard of that one).

What will help keep costs down is rule stability. I wonder how much the teams would have saved if they were still restricted to one-weekend V10s.

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Somehow Mad Max has it fixed in his mind that to limit the number of engines and transmissions used per season would result in less costs. On the surface, this simplistic notion appears to be valid. But in the big money, high stakes world of Fomula One, it has led to manufacturers having to spend huge amounts of money in testing and engineering. There is a huge difference between building an engine that has to survive three hours, and one that has to live through ten hours.
Every component has to be analysed, tested, retested, and built to near perfection. The price of failure is too high now, just witness McLaren's woes last year. Many times Kimi has an engine failure, or had to have an engine changed, which set him back ten places in the grid. Many fans point to this and believe that the engine fragility was a very important factor in Kimi not winning the title.
In F1, teams will spend as much as they desire, there are ways to circumvent accounting and external observation. Even if the costs of engines was actually reduced, the teams would just spend that money saved on another part of the car.
And think about this... teams like Minardi and Jordan survived, and even flourished when qualifying engines existed. And now, in this new political climate, they are no more. Personally, I would like to see qualifying engines back, we could see what a 2.4 liter V-8 could really do without being hobbled by longevity regulations. It's about the fans, let's see some shreiking, crazy ass high power hand grenades in those cars, and watch the drivers go balls out.

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Here Here (or is it Hear Hear?! I dunno..anyway) I agree!
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Mad Max's idea of the perfect formula 1 vehicle :D