Beginning of engine led F1?

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Beginning of engine led F1?

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With Renault announcing RBR as works team, HONDA committed to only Mclaren, is F1 turning into a race between engine manufacturer? Can we expect more manufacturers to join this madness?

http://m.autosport.com/news/report.php/ ... gin-revamp
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So RB-renault works operation is now finally going to mimic merc/ferrari. Bout time if you ask me. Not sure what took them so long.

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I thought the Honda-McLaren deal was only for their first year?

Anyways, I don't really see a reason why any manufacturer would want to join Formula 1, certainly not when Hybrid rules are also available in LMP1 and are much less restricted. In LMP1 you can actually show off your technology, in F1 you all spend hundreds of millions of dollars to make an identical engine.
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wesley123 wrote:I thought the Honda-McLaren deal was only for their first year?

Anyways, I don't really see a reason why any manufacturer would want to join Formula 1, certainly not when Hybrid rules are also available in LMP1 and are much less restricted. In LMP1 you can actually show off your technology, in F1 you all spend hundreds of millions of dollars to make an identical engine.
Honda has said that Mclaren will be their works team even if they supply other teams in 2016 and beyond. And since manufacturer are all in this to win, there is no reason why anyone would do otherwise.

Actually if engine continue to play a significant role in the championship, I am guessing it might actually give new supplier an advantage because they are free to develop their engine while those existing F1 manufacturer are being restricted by the engine freeze rules.

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Thank Goodness for the new PU Rules :D

Last 10 years was just about aerodynamics - now we have Engine, Aero, Chassis & Driver :D

Now we just need to make these engines as loud as possible [-o<

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Whaaaa?
Lead?
In the engine?
I'd fought lead 'ad bin long since banned, along wiv a bunch of really useful performance stuff..
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in good Kiwi style - riding a Massey Ferguson farm
tractor - with a few extemporised mod's to hack the task).

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If I read it correctly, I think Merc is concerned that new entrant like Honda will gain an unfair advantage next year.
If indeed the rule is lifted, I am not sure how the smaller teams are going to catch up with the works teams such as Merc (Merc), Ferrari (Ferrari), RBR (Renault), and Mclaren (Honda).

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/115716
Mercedes open to F1 engine freeze being lifted

Mercedes motorsport boss Toto Wolff says the German manufacturer could be open to lifting Formula 1's current engine freeze to help rival marques close the gap to his own.

Mercedes has dominated F1 this season, and there have been recent calls from rivals Ferrari and Renault to open up engine regulations to allow performance upgrades.

Currently, the rules prevent changes to engine architecture, unless for special reasons related to reliability, safety or cost.

Ferrari boss Marco Mattiacci said after the Belgian Grand Prix that relaxing engine rules would support the innovative "DNA" of F1, while Red Bull supplier Renault said it would support more open engine regulations if they didn't lead to a spending war among manufacturers.

The possibility of relaxing these rules was on the agenda in a meeting of F1's strategy group in the Italian GP paddock on Friday, during which the popularity of F1, rules on superlicences, cost control, and long-term technical changes to F1 cars were also discussed.

Speaking to the press later, Wolff suggested Mercedes might support a lifting of the engine freeze, if it was done in the right way.

"It's about defining what we want to do," he said. "Obviously we have a competitive advantage but we would take the challenge [of competition] on.

"Is it the time to change the rules to change something? Maybe. The discussions we've had so far were pretty open.

"There are various concepts on the table and if we decide to go completely in the opposite direction and open it up completely, this will increase costs quite dramatically.

"I'm not sure we could deliver all the same specification of engines to everybody - logistically it's not feasible - so the devil lies in the detail."

HORNER BACKS RENAULT CALL

Red Bull boss Christian Horner suggested engine development should be allowed in the same way that chassis improvements are permitted for performance reasons.

"Formula 1 is all about innovation and competition but there are only certain junctures that you can introduce new technology and upgrades," Horner said.

"With the chassis, if you start off poorly you can develop your way out of it.

"I think with the engine all we need to consider - without hopefully having a significant effect on costs - is perhaps more freedom to allow manufacturers to develop in order for that competition to be there at the front."

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Looks like the inevitable engine war is going go get real messy. If things doesnt change, perhaps team like Ferrari can develop a completely new engine under FIAT other brand name and take part in F1 in 2016

http://en.espnf1.com/f1/motorsport/story/179905.html