12 Teams in 2008

[Principessa]

Today the 12 Teams participating the 2008 FIA Formula One World Championship were announced. No Stoddy though !

http://www.f1technical.net/news/2718

[Jason]

No Stoddy = not enough money yet I think

[manchild]

Question: Why was Prodrive chosen to be the 12th team?

Mosley: “Prodrive has the best combination of financial backing, technical capability and motor sport experience and is well known to the FIA through its participation in the World Rally Championship. Also, Prodrive’s chief executive, David Richards, has experience as a Formula One team principal.” end of quote

I guess Stoddy as successful businessman and owner of Minardi that participated in F1 for years has none of Richard's qualities?

I have nothing against Prodrive and I welcome them to F1 but Mosley's arguments are ridiculous.

Let him be… I think we’ll anyway see Stoddy in F1 including some of the other teams that were turned down by FIA once Toyota, Red Bull and MF1 calculate how much did they invest and how much did they achieve in F1. That will leave space for at least 3 new teams.

[jaslfc]

paul stoddart has tons of experience in f1 but i have to disagree with manchild. he does not have as much motorsport experience as david richard. prodrive has a good factory. has tons of motorsport experiece ie wrc. david richard has proved himself in f1.. i think they made the right choice..
ps.manchild.. you wont agree with anything out of mosleys mouth... and i am getting sick of it!

[manchild]

ps.manchild.. you wont agree with anything out of mosleys mouth... and i am getting sick of it!

And you had to get personal for thing I said about Mosley? I'm getting sick of what he says too but I'm not blaming you for your opinion as you blame me for mine.

How can I agree with what comes out of Mosley's mouth when it is crap that comes out all the time?

[wowf1]

manchild I don't think you can argue with the fact that David Richards has built a competitive, financially successful motorsport outfit, that will (in my opinion) attract decent sponsorsip deals. I think another Stoddart-entry would only result in uncompetitiveness and ultimately withdrawl. Also, Prodrive are at the top of their game, they are leaders in their field.

While Stoddart has experience in bundles, he doesn't run a motorsport company, and I wouldn't trust him to construct and run my F1 team! While I would certainly trust DR. Stoddart seems more concerned with making protests and getting on everyone's tits than running a successful F1 team.

[kilcoo316]

Question: Why was Prodrive chosen to be the 12th team?

Mosley: “Prodrive has the best combination of financial backing, technical capability and motor sport experience and is well known to the FIA through its participation in the World Rally Championship. Also, Prodrive’s chief executive, David Richards, has experience as a Formula One team principal.” end of quote


I have nothing against Prodrive and I welcome them to F1 but Mosley's arguments are ridiculous.

Aye, ridiculous arguments there all right


Did you bother to read the quote at all?

[vyselegend]

[I think we’ll anyway see Stoddy in F1 including some of the other teams that were turned down by FIA once Toyota, Red Bull and MF1 calculate how much did they invest and how much did they achieve in F1. That will leave space for at least 3 new teams.

The Toyota group is so rich that it can afford to loose millions per years (ok, maybe not for ten years), and Red Bull has not showed any hint of their bank account emptying, as they continues to spend lots here and there, but I bet Midland will not survive for long. I'm almost certain they'll have disapear at the begining of 2009. But Mosley stated that it's possible to have more than 12 teams in the futur.

[Jason]

I would say welcome back to Dave Richards

[manchild]

manchild I don't think you can argue with the fact that David Richards has built a competitive, financially successful motorsport outfit, that will (in my opinion) attract decent sponsorsip deals. ...

I have absolutely nothing against Richards. I said so in my first post in this topic together that I welcome them to F1. What I spoofed with was Mosley's explanation in which he mentioned basically same qualities that both Richards and Soddy share as Richards qualities that were deciding factor. What he said about Richards can be said about Stoddy too so I said that it is ridiculous.

BTW, in another thread I said that I'll believe that there were so many teams interested to enter F1 once when I see official list. Now the ruling has been made and we have no idea if anyone except Prodrive was in talks with FIA at all. Mosley could have said month ago that there are 50 teams interested to join F1 and it would make no difference because regardless of how many of them really talked with FIA we'll never know anything about that. Now, I ask myself “why did Mosley even mention those 20 or 22 teams if he never planned to tell us who they are?”.

I’m not saying that it was pre-decided (legality-wise) contest for 12th team but it certainly looks like that.

Now start nailing me for “conspiracy theory” I’m bended over

[Scuderia_Russ]

It doesn't matter whether Stoddart is a "top bloke" or not. Richards is a motorsport professional that used to compete himself and built Prodrive into one of the strongest and diverse motor sport companies around. He has laid down well thought out plans for the future of his company and already has existing factories and facilities in place.
Before the new entrants were even heard of Mosely said that the £48M deposit needed to get into F1 would be scrapped and instead what facilities a group / team had and existing staff numbers as well as a companies history and future potential would be examined instead. This is why Prodrive has won out over Stoddart and his three old Minardi chassis and an aircraft hanger full of Concorde memorabilia! I haven't heard anywhere of what plans Stoddart has apart from "well I still own the rights to the Minardi name" ??? Where is that going to get you? Nowhere, sorry Paul.

[Tom]

I would rather have a backrunner privateer underdog like Stoddy replace SA but as that doesn't appear to be happening I would like to see a team like prodrive on a scale of Saulber competitititity (real word?) run by a highly experienced guy like DR.

Why can't we have 26 guys like in '94? I suppose its a bit much for places like Spa. Or we could have an old style quali with a knockout. That way if we had perhaps 15 vaguely competitive teams racing the midfield with a different one each race and only the best staying through till next year?

Perhaps its too large a scale idea but at the moment we have lots of crappy little things not making any difference at all.

[Sawtooth-spike]

maybe Richards will Get Button to Drive for him again

[manchild]

Or we could have an old style quali with a knockout.

That was possible before FIA cut costs to "help" small teams

[jaslfc]

ps.manchild.. you wont agree with anything out of mosleys mouth... and i am getting sick of it!

And you had to get personal for thing I said about Mosley? I'm getting sick of what he says too but I'm not blaming you for your opinion as you blame me for mine.

How can I agree with what comes out of Mosley's mouth when it is crap that comes out all the time?

Sorry if i have offended you but u have to agree that whenever it has to do with mosley and bernie you have so much hatred for them and your comments are not rational and you find any way to disagree with their comments. i feel that even thought we all would like to see stoddy back but with prodrive there is more chance of us seeing a competitive team than stodart. anyway .. thats my opinion