Penalize teams and not drivers?

[roon]

Instead of punishing drivers with grid penalties when powertrain components are replaced, why not apply deductions to the constructors championship points tally? Driver's points unaffected.

[Shrieker]

Then they can just keep changing parts to help their driver win the title.

[roon]

But they'd risk losing the constructors championship.

[3jawchuck]

Then they can just keep changing parts to help their driver win the title.

They care more about the constructors because that's where the money comes from.

[DiogoBrand]

Then they can just keep changing parts to help their driver win the title.

They care more about the constructors because that's where the money comes from.

Perhaps for the smaller teams. For big teams Drivers' championship is way more important than prize money. Just look at how Ferrari completely ignored the Constructors' fight this season.

[marmer]

Wouldn't say Ferrari ignored it just very hard to get. Reliability is the main issue and kimis lack of pace compared to seb

[NathanOlder]

Red Bull and Renault would have used a new PU every day of every weekend if that was the case this season. After testing they would know that they wouldnt win the constructors. But Max and Danny having fresh units for every Sat and Sun would have had a chance at the WDC.

To me its a terrible idea,

The driver only a part of the team. So he should be punished, which in turn punishes the team. Its very fair as it is.

[strad]

the ONLY thing the teams care about is the WCC since that is how the money is paid out.
And we all know that F1 is all about the money and prestige of that title.

[jjn9128]

While I would generally agree that it is unfair to penalize drivers for mechanical issues.... who gets the penalty for power unit failures for customer teams. It wasn't Toro Rosso or Red Bull's fault the reliability of the Renault engines was terrible in Mexico, just as it wasn't Ricciardo/Hartley/Gasly's. So are the Renault factory team penalized? They could claim the cooling was insufficient or the software/modes were wrong.

[NathanOlder]

Its insane to think penalising a manufacturer and not the driver for mechanical failures can work.

The drivers can cause may reasons for mechanical failures so it would be impossible to get right anyway.

Teams choose thier engine supplier, if they fall out with Ferrari & Mercedes and have to take a Renault, thats down to them.

[AJI]

the ONLY thing the teams care about is the WCC since that is how the money is paid out.
And we all know that F1 is all about the money and prestige of that title.

The backmarkers need the CC cash, but the top teams want the DC prestige. Only the WDC gets to wear the number 1 on the car. Ferrari and Red Bull want that way more than the cash.

[NathanOlder]

the ONLY thing the teams care about is the WCC since that is how the money is paid out.
And we all know that F1 is all about the money and prestige of that title.

The backmarkers need the CC cash, but the top teams want the DC prestige. Only the WDC gets to wear the number 1 on the car. Ferrari and Red Bull want that way more than the cash.

Totally agree with this,

Example, 1999 & 2008. 2 names hit all the papers and internet sites on the final day of each season. Hakkinen & Hamilton. The publicity Mclaren got in those years beat any other team, so WDC means more to top teams than WCC in my opinion.

[n_anirudh]

But they'd risk losing the constructors championship.

What if points go negative. WIll the teams pay FOM/Liberty money back.

Drivers are also a part of the team (?) so the penalty is felt through out the team

[Ennis]

the ONLY thing the teams care about is the WCC since that is how the money is paid out.
And we all know that F1 is all about the money and prestige of that title.

The backmarkers need the CC cash, but the top teams want the DC prestige. Only the WDC gets to wear the number 1 on the car. Ferrari and Red Bull want that way more than the cash.

Totally agree with this,

Example, 1999 & 2008. 2 names hit all the papers and internet sites on the final day of each season. Hakkinen & Hamilton. The publicity Mclaren got in those years beat any other team, so WDC means more to top teams than WCC in my opinion.

I'm just repeating other posters now, but I agree with this in its entirety. The only team who would even think twice about WCC V WDC is Merc IMO, and that is most likely due to them being spoiled recently and their mind not processing not targeting both.

Any big team will see a great ROI from a marketing perspective on the WDC as that's where the headlines go, and the smaller teams who want WCC cash only care about their position there because they know they won't be champions in either anyway.

[belldanndy]

the ONLY thing the teams care about is the WCC since that is how the money is paid out.
And we all know that F1 is all about the money and prestige of that title.

The backmarkers need the CC cash, but the top teams want the DC prestige. Only the WDC gets to wear the number 1 on the car. Ferrari and Red Bull want that way more than the cash.

No number 1 on the car now .......... all drivers use their personal number.