STR HONDA

[HondaRaceReplica]

I for one am really exited for this new collaboration and team.......Has the potential of being the little engine and chassis that could...lol

[Cold Fussion]

Personally I think burritos are superior in all metrics to tacos.

[NathanOlder]

Toro Rosso on the podium next year, wonder what odds you can get on that right now, be worth a £20 bet.

[PlatinumZealot]

This should be in the team section.

[HondaRaceReplica]

Toro Rosso on the podium next year, wonder what odds you can get on that right now, be worth a £20 bet.

Honda has to come Hard!

[wesley123]

I had the idea in the last few races that Honda is on par with Renault in terms of performance, they seem to match the top speeds fairly well. The big struggle is reliability, but as long as Honda is willing to throw 10 engines per year at it they can certainly achieve something next year.

I am certain Toro Rosso will appreciate Honda's input and resources much more than what McLaren would have, who seems to try very hard to destroy themselves out of arrogance and their beliefs that they are entitled to world titles because they are McLaren.

Sure going to be interesting next year, as the midfield is very competitive, the littlest of things could possibly make or break their seasons.

[godlameroso]

Toro Rosso either had the weakest Renault engine or they had the draggiest chassis of the bunch, they were barely faster than McLaren on the straights. If it was due to a shortage of parts, it's understandable, but I fear that even if Honda makes a good power unit next year, they'll never be able to challenge with the chassis they can produce with their limited resources. At best they can be a 2010 Sauber, or 2012 Sauber with a miracle, afterall Toro Rosso's TD was responsible for those cars. Maybe Honda decides to help a bit with the chassis if they see that good results are possible, would they sign a works partnership with Red Bull, or would Honda buy TR and give customer engines to Red Bull?

Perhaps the Toro Rosso has like the Mercedes very peaky aero, and is prone to flow separation and turbulence induced drag, so the key task is obviously to develop more consistent downforce if for no other reason than to reduce drag.

[HPD]

Toro Rosso either had the weakest Renault engine or they had the draggiest chassis of the bunch, they were barely faster than McLaren on the straights. If it was due to a shortage of parts, it's understandable, but I fear that even if Honda makes a good power unit next year, they'll never be able to challenge with the chassis they can produce with their limited resources. At best they can be a 2010 Sauber, or 2012 Sauber with a miracle, afterall Toro Rosso's TD was responsible for those cars. Maybe Honda decides to help a bit with the chassis if they see that good results are possible, would they sign a works partnership with Red Bull, or would Honda buy TR and give customer engines to Red Bull?

Perhaps the Toro Rosso has like the Mercedes very peaky aero, and is prone to flow separation and turbulence induced drag, so the key task is obviously to develop more consistent downforce if for no other reason than to reduce drag.

As I always say, you can buy things from Red Bull. Like the suspension and other things. This is legal. Look Hass

[NL_Fer]

Saintz scored 9th this year, best behind Force India, which have a good package of chassis, pu and drivers. Their 7th place in the WCC is caused by the fact that Saint scored almost all those points and the other 3 drivers scored almost nothing. I think the chassis is on the same level as Force india and Renault and with the funds of Honda coming in, they can develop another great STR. Only their new line up, hasn’t showed anything yet. They still need to show what they are capable of.

[HondaRaceReplica]

Toro Rosso either had the weakest Renault engine or they had the draggiest chassis of the bunch, they were barely faster than McLaren on the straights. If it was due to a shortage of parts, it's understandable, but I fear that even if Honda makes a good power unit next year, they'll never be able to challenge with the chassis they can produce with their limited resources. At best they can be a 2010 Sauber, or 2012 Sauber with a miracle, afterall Toro Rosso's TD was responsible for those cars. Maybe Honda decides to help a bit with the chassis if they see that good results are possible, would they sign a works partnership with Red Bull, or would Honda buy TR and give customer engines to Red Bull?

Perhaps the Toro Rosso has like the Mercedes very peaky aero, and is prone to flow separation and turbulence induced drag, so the key task is obviously to develop more consistent downforce if for no other reason than to reduce drag.

As I always say, you can buy things from Red Bull. Like the suspension and other things. This is legal. Look Hass

Pls Honda and STR....purchase Red Bull Spec suspension.....is this really possible though?..Ferrari is a Manufacturer while Red Bull isn’t.......

[HondaRaceReplica]

Saintz scored 9th this year, best behind Force India, which have a good package of chassis, pu and drivers. Their 7th place in the WCC is caused by the fact that Saint scored almost all those points and the other 3 drivers scored almost nothing. I think the chassis is on the same level as Force india and Renault and with the funds of Honda coming in, they can develop another great STR. Only their new line up, hasn’t showed anything yet. They still need to show what they are capable of.

I agree...we need a better driver line up ASAP....or just wait until 2019?

[HondaRaceReplica]

Toro Rosso either had the weakest Renault engine or they had the draggiest chassis of the bunch, they were barely faster than McLaren on the straights. If it was due to a shortage of parts, it's understandable, but I fear that even if Honda makes a good power unit next year, they'll never be able to challenge with the chassis they can produce with their limited resources. At best they can be a 2010 Sauber, or 2012 Sauber with a miracle, afterall Toro Rosso's TD was responsible for those cars. Maybe Honda decides to help a bit with the chassis if they see that good results are possible, would they sign a works partnership with Red Bull, or would Honda buy TR and give customer engines to Red Bull?

Perhaps the Toro Rosso has like the Mercedes very peaky aero, and is prone to flow separation and turbulence induced drag, so the key task is obviously to develop more consistent downforce if for no other reason than to reduce drag.

As I always say, you can buy things from Red Bull. Like the suspension and other things. This is legal. Look Hass

I know it sounds crazy and fanboyish....but...Porsche was rumored about the possibility of them purchasing the “Senior” Red Bull Team.....why couldn’t Honda make a move such as this?....Especially if Ricciardo is signed long term along with Max’s services already secured

[HondaRaceReplica]

Toro Rosso either had the weakest Renault engine or they had the draggiest chassis of the bunch, they were barely faster than McLaren on the straights. If it was due to a shortage of parts, it's understandable, but I fear that even if Honda makes a good power unit next year, they'll never be able to challenge with the chassis they can produce with their limited resources. At best they can be a 2010 Sauber, or 2012 Sauber with a miracle, afterall Toro Rosso's TD was responsible for those cars. Maybe Honda decides to help a bit with the chassis if they see that good results are possible, would they sign a works partnership with Red Bull, or would Honda buy TR and give customer engines to Red Bull?

Perhaps the Toro Rosso has like the Mercedes very peaky aero, and is prone to flow separation and turbulence induced drag, so the key task is obviously to develop more consistent downforce if for no other reason than to reduce drag.

How about one step further?...Why wouldn’t Honda acquire Red Bull F1 itself?

[godlameroso]

Saintz scored 9th this year, best behind Force India, which have a good package of chassis, pu and drivers. Their 7th place in the WCC is caused by the fact that Saint scored almost all those points and the other 3 drivers scored almost nothing. I think the chassis is on the same level as Force india and Renault and with the funds of Honda coming in, they can develop another great STR. Only their new line up, hasn’t showed anything yet. They still need to show what they are capable of.

I agree...we need a better driver line up ASAP....or just wait until 2019?

I think we haven't seen what either driver is capable of, both rookies, saddled with engine penalties with derelict power unit components. Depends, Toro Rosso has some very good people, if they show they can make a good chassis, it may be cheaper to buy Toro Rosso than Red Bull. True Red Bull has some world class facilities for chassis development, however truth be told Toro Rosso isn't far behind due to the fact they get their facilities from Red Bull. Would Red Bull demand a higher premium than McLaren? Would Honda have more or less leverage if they went into works partnership with Red Bull?

As it is, Toro Rosso might as well be Honda F1, as Honda has absolutely all the leverage in this particular marriage. The car will be built around the power unit, if Toro Rosso needs some funds to redesign a suspension, or a new wing, or diffuser, or bargeboard, I'm sure they can work something out. Afterall what's a $40,000 FW, when Honda uses inconel exhaust manifolds that have to be replaced every 2 races which cost just as much?

As far as drivers are concerned, Japanese engine, Italian Chassis, might as well get a German driver, axis of evil style Wehrlein would be my choice.

[PlatinumZealot]

Let the games begin

STRONDA!