Phrase of the day:'Alonso stop whining'

jaslfc · Post 29 Jul 2006, 15:37

martin brundle said it right on the money... now i think we will see what alonso is made off.. with abit of pressure on him...

bhall · Post 29 Jul 2006, 15:45

What was he whining about? I didn't wake up until Q3, but was distracted by a dead fish in my aquarium.

joseff · Post 29 Jul 2006, 16:57

"You see what Michael did?" when MS cut him off coming out into the pitlane.

janus · Post 29 Jul 2006, 17:30

michael did nothing it was all normal he exit frist form the pit nothing wrong whid that

the only anormal thing was the entry i think a team comunication to the driver

but jus think on this in monaco shumacher made a huge mistake ou cheat in qual ....and renault is using the dampers starting from 1frst race of the season

taking to acount the 2 things alonso and renault shoulf by right now on 3 position on the championship..... they complain about ferrari wing but they where using the dampers from day one ....what a nerve.....

m3_lover · Post 29 Jul 2006, 17:49

janus wrote:michael did nothing it was all normal he exit frist form the pit nothing wrong whid that

the only anormal thing was the entry i think a team comunication to the driver

but jus think on this in monaco shumacher made a huge mistake ou cheat in qual ....and renault is using the dampers starting from 1frst race of the season

taking to acount the 2 things alonso and renault shoulf by right now on 3 position on the championship..... they complain about ferrari wing but they where using the dampers from day one ....what a nerve.....

You make me laugh, you argument is so flawed and honestly something that a 10 year old ferrari fan would write. Ferrari was using the mass damper this season also, second the damper was deem legal until after the France GP and they took it out even after the stewards agreed it was legal, they do not want to have a fisco like Honda last year and be banned from races. They took it out and there we go, I have not seen a lot of news report showing Renault complaining. Also, it was not also Renault complainging about ferrari wing, there were also other teams and video footage showing a moving aerodymanic device which is illegal (in case you forgot) and Ferrari fixed the problem after the stewards told them to.

You talk about how alonso should be in 3rd place in the championship, you can put all the should's you want, but in reality he is in first place right now deal with it..

DaveKillens · Post 29 Jul 2006, 21:23

It appears that position and timing is very important in the final qualifying session. The fact that Shu cut out in front of Alonso appears perfectly OK to me, it's part of the game. I think this move put a bug under Fernando's butt, and he wasn't able to post the super quick times we usually see from him. And notice how soon the Ferraris lined up in the final qualifying session? They took a calculated risk in being the first two cars out. I think that Ferrari have decided to always have a car in front of Alonso as he exits the pits in the final qualifying session. They are playing a game within a game, and this weekend, Ferrari did a number on Alonso's usual quick qualifying routine. He was the fifth quickest Michelin driver in qualifying, a position he isn't used to.
Personally I believe the ultimate kings of race strategy, Todt and Braun, have once again figured out to cripple their opponents, and maximize the gains for Shu.

manchild · Post 29 Jul 2006, 21:53

Well, Renault said they had bad grip on both cars so it is a bit strange to have Kimi on same Michelin tyres on pole and Renault on 5th and 7th (unless there is something else we don't know). If at least Fisichella was good as Alonso in previous part of the season we'd be sure that something is wrong with both cars but as it is now it looks that Fisichella did as usual and Alonso had huge problems.

jaslfc · Post 29 Jul 2006, 22:07

mclaren could be running very light coz being mercedes home track...

Scuderia_Russ · Post 29 Jul 2006, 22:08

manchild wrote:Alonso had huge problems.

Yep, pressure problems... and I'm not talking about his Michelins!

walter · Post 29 Jul 2006, 22:09

janus wrote:
michael did nothing it was all normal he exit frist form the pit nothing wrong whid that

the only anormal thing was the entry i think a team comunication to the driver

but jus think on this in monaco shumacher made a huge mistake ou cheat in qual ....and renault is using the dampers starting from 1frst race of the season

taking to acount the 2 things alonso and renault shoulf by right now on 3 position on the championship..... they complain about ferrari wing but they where using the dampers from day one ....what a nerve.....

You make me laugh, you argument is so flawed and honestly something that a 10 year old ferrari fan would write. Ferrari was using the mass damper this season also, second the damper was deem legal until after the France GP and they took it out even after the stewards agreed it was legal, they do not want to have a fisco like Honda last year and be banned from races. They took it out and there we go, I have not seen a lot of news report showing Renault complaining. Also, it was not also Renault complainging about ferrari wing, there were also other teams and video footage showing a moving aerodymanic device which is illegal (in case you forgot) and Ferrari fixed the problem after the stewards told them to.

You talk about how alonso should be in 3rd place in the championship, you can put all the should's you want, but in reality he is in first place right now deal with it..

WHEEAAAAA!!!

pyry · Post 30 Jul 2006, 01:22

alonso is a total whiner. there was an interview of him on tv prior the french grandprix where he stated "it is a good prandprix and last year we where able to beat the better mclarens clean without any technical problems, so im happy to race here". oviedos man-ape seemingly forgot that kimi had a 10 place drop due to an engine change in qualifying. also after monaco he stated "shame for kimi, he was trying hard and would have deserved to be on the podium" that is one arrogant sonafa, any proper driver woud have said "kimi was faster and would have deserved a win", including ms.

Ciro Pabón · Post 30 Jul 2006, 01:49

pyry wrote:... oviedos man-ape seemingly forgot that kimi had a 10 place drop due to an engine change in qualifying. also after monaco he stated "shame for kimi, he was trying hard and would have deserved to be on the podium" that is one arrogant sonafa, any proper driver woud have said "kimi was faster and would have deserved a win", including ms.

I'd say "man-ape" does not seem a noun-adjective combination worth of a world champion, but suit yourself: I am not familiar with how you manage respect up there.

About what he must "have said", let me know if you also wish a "mango lemonade" and we'll serve your highness... it is a most reasonable proposition.

The Alonso phrase that you object, translated "directly" into spanish, have a slightly different meaning, pyry: applies to how clean and technically good the RENAULTS were. You'd think he is not referring to McLaren having the same property. Calm down.

Anyway, let's hope tomorrow is the tenth win for Kimi. The car certainly did well. I am sure Alonso feels the same: he is not battling Kimi and he has a McLaren in his future.

Martin Brundle makes his share of mistakes, I wish this is one. And pyry, my friend, I've seen you choosing your words in a much wiser way.

pyry · Post 30 Jul 2006, 03:52

ok, but i must correct that the interview i saw was in english, so thats quite an straight quatation

andyF1 · Post 30 Jul 2006, 10:09

Well I can't really see anything that says either Alonso or Renault complained of lack of grip.

Fernando Alonso - 7th: "Today, I don't think we ever got our tyres working properly on the timed lap and even before the session, we knew it might be a little bit difficult for us this afternoon. Obviously, starting from seventh position makes our job quite a hard one, but I am still confident for tomorrow.

^^ This basically says that their tyres were not optimised towards qualifying but as they have to choose just one tyre compound for the whole weekend and have only a limited number of tyres to use, it is not an uncommon thing.

I recently edited an article, by one of the tv journalists, on the use of tyres by the teams last year. It was very interesting to find that the same tyre compound used by different teams (such as Mclaren / Renault) performs totally differently due to the balance / suspension of the cars. So in summary you can almost never directly compare two teams running the same tyres!
Besides which who knows which compound which team is using!
There can be as many as 4-12 choices when you take into account compounds / construction variations!

Ciro Pabón · Post 30 Jul 2006, 11:31

pyry wrote:ok, but i must correct that the interview i saw was in english, so thats quite an straight quatation

You're right AND that is what I am saying. You could be TOTALLY right if the interview were in spanish. I am assuming your native tongue is not english: think about yourself giving an interview in english on Alonso... some "fine points" could be misinterpreted.

Besides, he could be a pri**, anyway. But it does not seem so: on the contrary, he seems pretty gracious about his defeats.

He has been criticized some times for not being more arrogant and for "conforming" with winning the championship reaching second place spots on many races. He doesn't seem the kind of guy that wants to appear invincible, as opposed to some other guys.

In the Spain I know, what we appreciate is a candid, intelligent man, not a pride insuflated one. An intelligent man praise his adversaries... "american style intimidation" seems a little stupid to us, in the catholic world.

If you (and the thread) are right, it would be like Schumacher dancing flamenco: really strange.

The race starts in a few hours: the perspective for Alonso is bleak, unless andyf1 is right about a harder compound proving itself superior on the track (even if nowadays miracles have been rare).

Let's see what he says after the race, before judging the man's behaviour when the going get tough. And I am saying is going to get tougher: Michelin is retiring this year and Bridgestone is not.