Petition to FIA - 2026 rules canceled, V10s in 2028

[Vanja #66]

Petition to cancel 2026 rules and bring back V10s in 2028 was started a few minutes ago, sign if you want us as fans to finally push our own agenda

https://chng.it/FCtbBFtXTT

[the EDGE]

I was devastated when F1 moved away from NA engines, but I’ve Gotta be honest, now I’ve got used to the sound of V6 turbos, and after watching some old races on YouTube recently, i’m not sure I want to put my ears through that pain again.

Maybe I’m just old

[DChemTech]

No.
I know the contribution of the cars themselves to the footprint of F1 is negligible, but it does have an important aspects regarding perception.
We should move away from the image that noisy, big and wasteful is sexy. It's not; IMO it's sad medieval lizard-brain stuff.
I'm fine with using combustion engines, but in the end, it's a high tech sport so it should be about maximizing efficiency, and getting insane performance out of modest equipment - preferably in a way that may have some road-relevance, albeit not for standard consumer cars.

[PierreW]

The 2026 regulation look like it will be a distaster , from a cost point of view and from a racing point of view. It is necessary to come back to simplier and most effective engines.

The pivot away from Europe toward the US , Asia and Middle East should allow for a lot less pressure from the ecologists who are a non existant factor outside of the continent.

[_cerber1]

It is very naive to think that engine designers will be really interested in this. One of the conditions of several engine designers to stay in F1 or to join it were complex hybrid engines, everything else is no longer interesting to them, as a result we may lose them.

[DJ Downforce]

Whether it's V10s or what weve got now. I want ANYTHING but the disaster thats looming

[Ferry]

It is necessary to come back to simplier and most effective engines.

What you are describing is a low cylinder count turbo engine. Inline 4, or maybe a V4? For cost reasons even a standard engine for all teams would do. A hyper high reving V10 is not the logical choice for performance and cost.
True, the V10 sound is hilarious. But how many percent of the fans ever get to hear the engines live? I followed F1 for about 15 years before going to a race. And my home cinema system isn't anywhere close to do the sound justice. 99% of the fans only hear via speakers anyway.

[bauc]

Petition to cancel 2026 rules and bring back V10s in 2028 was started a few minutes ago, sign if you want us as fans to finally push our own agenda

https://chng.it/FCtbBFtXTT

Done

[r85]

It is very naive to think that engine designers will be really interested in this. One of the conditions of several engine designers to stay in F1 or to join it were complex hybrid engines, everything else is no longer interesting to them, as a result we may lose them.

Would a better compromise be high revving naturally aspirated V6 engines with minimal hybrid tech to make up for the loss of the turbo? That would maybe keep the engine manufacturers happy because going back to V8 or V10 engines would be too much too soon.

[Quantum]

No.
I know the contribution of the cars themselves to the footprint of F1 is negligible, but it does have an important aspects regarding perception.
We should move away from the image that noisy, big and wasteful is sexy. It's not; IMO it's sad medieval lizard-brain stuff.
I'm fine with using combustion engines, but in the end, it's a high tech sport so it should be about maximizing efficiency, and getting insane performance out of modest equipment - preferably in a way that may have some road-relevance, albeit not for standard consumer cars.

Spot on.

To add, having V10's in 2028 will mean pretty much identikit engines for everyone with practically zero engineering interest. We were getting to that point in 2005!
Yet here we are in 2025 F1technical with "petitions" for something that hasn't even had the chance to run yet

[Tommy Cookers]

... it should be about maximizing efficiency, and getting insane performance out of modest equipment .....

Spot on.

spot on what exactly ?
for 100 years the rulemakers wanted maximisation of so-called 'volumetric efficiency'
but now that's bad

there's nothing modest about the current equipment
2026 rules are more modest - but the prime mover (ICE) is less efficient

the efficiency gap was (or still is ??) to be closed by active aero

over the last 60 years the tracks have become less efficient
once they had 3 to 6 corners not the present 19

[Hoffman900]

As much as I loved the V10s, I liked it all better when there was a mix of V12s, V10s, and V8s. I also love naturally aspirated engines. It also dawned on me that a lot of current F1 fans are too young to actually remember V10s.

That said, I’d rather see the current PU’s without fuel flow restrictions. Same rule set, no fuel flow restrictions, same rpm cap, and allow more than one injector / cylinder.

Let them eat and things could get a lot more fun.

As for the engineers, the engines like the V10s have long since passed as far as what they’re interested in. It will also leave a vacuum of manufacturer money… why would they want / need to be involved? The manufacturers have filled the void that was tobacco money in year’s pass.

If you want to see the current pinnacle of naturally aspirated engines, MotoGP is it. The racing is better too.

[Quantum]

spot on what exactly ?

Spot on that dumbing it down is the lowest common denominator for technical interest.

Unless the dumbed down V10's had a tech revolution while nobody was looking?

[Richard C]

I would say nearly zero chance of either the 2026 rules being cancelled or pushed back a year for reasons already outlined in the other thread on this topic. I can envision the potential for an early transition to the next spec instead of waiting until 2031. And I would welcome that. It seems there is momentum for reversion to an even more simpler, cheaper and likely lighter v10 solution that uses renewable fuel. It's unclear if that would be ICE only vs. hybrid or NA vs turbo. While the winds can change direction at any time, it seems the current desire is to NOT make power units an area of particular open competition (wounds are still sore from 2022+ power unit technical war and implications on championships). Well maybe competition on the electric side, but not the ICE side. So if you follow that trend, a future V10 is likely to be relatively simple, highly regulated (nearly spec in many ways). That may be an anathema to many in F1 (and this forum in particular), but lets be serious, F1 today (and likely the future) is about extreme optimization in small and specific areas vs. broad technical innovation and freedom.

Richard

[nitrotech]

Got fed up with these vaccum cleaners and I can't imagine 2026 engines that would most likely sound like Formula e. When there is already a Formula e, I don't understand why F1 has to go that way. Formula 1 is racing first and foremost and then comes the technology part. Dumbing it down was a bad idea. V10s with fully sustainable fuels should keep F1 as an attractive racing series, while the other series' can be labs for road car tech.