Petrol Companies in F1

All that has to do with the power train, gearbox, clutch, fuels and lubricants, etc. Generally the mechanical side of Formula One.
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Petrol Companies in F1

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There are several oil companies liked to F1 Teams, Shell(Ferrari), Petrobras(Williams), Mobil(McLaren), Elf(Renaullt), Esso(Toyota), Petronas(Sauber), BP-Castrol(Jaguar).

Does anybody know which ones really supply the teams or just put a sticker on the car? :?:

Who supplies Jordan, BAR and Minardi? :?:

How important is the petrol development for the engine power? How much a petrol can improove the car performance? :?:

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Bemvindo X-Racer (a little message in portuguese for the new portuguese member) :P

Now getting dorn to your question, you have to diferenciate from oil and fuel, so the teams are being supplied as follows:

(team - fuel - oil)
-Ferrari - Shell - Shell
-Williams - Petrobras - Castrol
-Mclaren - Mobil - Mobil
-Renault - Elf - Elf
-BAR - Nisseki - Nisseki (don't know where this one's from but I suspect japan probably a Honda technical partner)
-Jordan - Elf - Lubrax
-Sauber - Shell* - Petronas - they have been testing petronas fuel since mid 2003, don't know if they are in fact using it at races.
-Jaguar - Petroscience - Castrol
-Minardi - Elf - Elf
-Toyota - Esso - Esso.

**- not too sure about Jaguar fuel supplier, but according to what I have here at home...

Fuel and oil caracteristics is very important in terms of engine performance, the viscocity of the oil will reduce friction and this means that there aren't alot of losses due to friction. Fuel is also importante cause of the "explosion factor" the more energentic the explosion is the more power you get. So fuel and oil development is a very sighnificant part of engine power.

For example Renault had a 4% power gain this year at the Hungaroring due to a new oil, basicly what the try to do with oils is to mantain the oil heat tolerance and reduce its viscocity.

Viscocity is the internal force that a fluid has, that tends to slow the motion of the fluid, generally we call it friction....but in a fluid it's called viscosity.

PS-wish me luck for my fluid mechanics exam....it's today as 7PM :P

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Slight corection.....Jordan uses Liqui Moly oil not Lubrax.

I'll check everything I wrote and post back tonight with all the corections. :P lolol

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Interesting subject. Petrol companies try to get the maximum calorific value into their petrol formulation. More calories per unit volume means less volume for the same horsepower, alternatively more horsepower for the same fuel volume, provided there is enough oxygen to burn it in!

There are also additives to lubricate the valve gear, help prevent engine knock - allowing the use of higher compression ratios – keep everything clean and some compounds that liberate oxygen during their combustion, which then helps all those calories in the fuel to burn a little more completely.

Petrol is also used to cool the inlet charge, as the fuel is atomised it also starts to evaporate. Evaporation requires heat energy, which is taken from the surrounding air, as the air cools it becomes denser, which means more oxygen, so you can burn more fuel and make more power.

Need a cool drink and don't have a fridge? Wrap it in a wet towel and leave it to stand and it will cool as the water evaporates, just like the water in a clay pot wine chiller works.

Running the engine's fuel air mixture richer than necessary can cause a drop in combustion temperature to. This was used quite extensively in the turbo era until the fuel efficiency formula was introduced. I don't think it is used in this way in modern engines, as they require maximum efficiency as well as maximum power to be competitive.

Super brewing of fuel reached its peak during the early years of the turbo era when the fuel used was virtually unrecognisable when compared to the petrol you and I use. There were some pretty lethal additives, such as Benzene, which is something you do not want to get on your person! More recently the FIA has gone much further than before to level the feild, they now specify the legal make up much more closely than ever before, seriously limiting the petrol supplier’s operational window, so that the fuel is pretty close to what you and I buy. Even so there is a window and it is being exploited to the full by the manufactures and engine builders.

Monstrobolaxa – hope you had a good exam, I am sure you will have passed with flying colours.
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Thanks NickT...the exam was quite easy...... :wink:

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slight corrections (Jordans oil and Jaguars fuel)

(team - fuel - oil)
-Ferrari - Shell - Shell
-Williams - Petrobras - Castrol
-Mclaren - Mobil - Mobil
-Renault - Elf - Elf
-BAR - Nisseki - Nisseki (don't know where this one's from but I suspect japan probably a Honda technical partner)
-Jordan - Elf - Liqui Moly
-Sauber - Shell* - Petronas - they have been testing petronas fuel since mid 2003, don't know if they are in fact using it at races.
-Jaguar - Castrol - Castrol
-Minardi - Elf - Elf
-Toyota - Esso - Esso.

*-Castrol is known for their oils and not for fuel, I didn't even know they had fuel!Still trying to confirm BARs fuel and Saubers.

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Updated received from a coleague

(team - fuel - oil)

-Ferrari - Shell - Shell
-Williams - Petrobras - Castrol
-Mclaren - Mobil - Mobil
-Renault - Elf - Elf
-BAR - Elf- Elf (they buy the products (standard)and are not partners)
-Jordan - Elf - Elf - the same as BAR
-Sauber - Shell -Shell (Ferrari obligate to use Shell in their engines)
-Jaguar -BP - Castrol (fuel possibily blended by Petroscience for BP)
-Minardi - Elf - Elf - The same as BAR and Jordan
-Toyota - Esso - Esso.

One thing we have to consider is that Octane Number is not an important factor when designing a F1 fuel. Knocking in a combustion process is a very slow event. With the engines running at 19000 rpm there is no time enough for the detonation to occur. That is why the Motor Octane Number in the FIA regulation is MINIMUM 85 and not maximum.(see F1 technical regulation - article 19 on FIA website).

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Just sent an e-mail to a friend that works at Jordan asking him about the fuel and oil used by jordan and the other teams.

Post back when I get the reply.

PS-X-racer I don't think Jordan uses Elf oil....at least I found a document mentioning Liqui Moli as their oil suppliers.

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Monstrobolaxa wrote:Just sent an e-mail to a friend that works at Jordan asking him about the fuel and oil used by jordan and the other teams.

Post back when I get the reply.

PS-X-racer I don't think Jordan uses Elf oil....at least I found a document mentioning Liqui Moli as their oil suppliers.



:roll: One thing is to supply products to a F1 Team, another thing is to put a sticker on the rear wing (Liqui-Moly)
Arrows(Pedro de La Rosa) was sponsored by Repsol and it was said they were using Repsol fuel until they were disqualified (Spanish GP) by fuel problems. Them they said they were using ELF !

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I have one doubt :?:

If Exxon-Mobil now is the same company, does anybody know which company is realy supplying McLaren and Toyota?

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One thing is to supply products to a F1 Team, another thing is to put a sticker on the rear wing (Liqui-Moly)


Yup that is true but i know last year jordan used liqui moly.

But like you mentioned Elf oil and fuel this year....(just got the e-mail back from jordan)

PS-most of the publicity "stickers" on F1 cars...aren't stickers....they're a kind o decal.

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I am not sure about Liqui-Moly, Sauber also put in their documents and website that they are supplied by Petronas...... but everybody knows that only Shell is approved by Ferrari.

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About Sauber:
According to Petronas Sauber is already using Malaysian oils and fuels. The Petronas Syntium lubricants have been used for a couple of years, the fuel since the start of this year.

See article on the Petronas Motorsport website and the official announcement of the F1 fuel.

About BAR:
Nisseki doesn't exist anymore. In 1999 the Nippon Oil Group (which marketed gasoline under the Nisseki brand) merged with Mitsubishi Oil to form NMOC (Nippon Mitsubishi Oil Corporation). Although the seperate brands lived on for some time, from 2002 on the commercials fuels were marketed under the new "Eneos" brand, while at the same time the company was renamed NOC (Nippon Oil Corporation). NMOC/NOC/Eneos, whatever you want to call it, has developed the lubricants for the Honda V10-engine. BAR still mentions "Nisseki" as lubricant supplier on its website....

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Living and learning :wink:

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Red27 wrote:About Sauber:
According to Petronas Sauber is already using Malaysian oils and fuels. The Petronas Syntium lubricants have been used for a couple of years, the fuel since the start of this year.

See article on the Petronas Motorsport website and the official announcement of the F1 fuel.

About BAR:
Nisseki doesn't exist anymore. In 1999 the Nippon Oil Group (which marketed gasoline under the Nisseki brand) merged with Mitsubishi Oil to form NMOC (Nippon Mitsubishi Oil Corporation). Although the seperate brands lived on for some time, from 2002 on the commercials fuels were marketed under the new "Eneos" brand, while at the same time the company was renamed NOC (Nippon Oil Corporation). NMOC/NOC/Eneos, whatever you want to call it, has developed the lubricants for the Honda V10-engine. BAR still mentions "Nisseki" as lubricant supplier on its website....
Dear Red27,
You look like to be very well informed, but during one European test I had a chance to attend this year I have seen the green drums used by Sauber with Shell safety stickers and origin from Shell address in the UK.
As a chemical engineer specialized in rocket fuels I discussed a lot with one of the fuel engineers on the track, and he explained me about the FOFAP group meeting. I do not know what does it mean but I know it is the group of fuel suppliers in F1. And Petronas does not take part in this group, as per his words.