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djones · Post 25 Nov 2006, 17:22

Just made a bit of a random observation...

Schumacher drove 248 GP's and the last car he drove was the F248.

johny · Post 25 Nov 2006, 17:48

lol nice stastic

basrawi · Post 27 Nov 2006, 22:03

schumi Drove 250 GP's

zenvision · Post 27 Nov 2006, 22:13

The next one will be F658 I think

Spencifer_Murphy · Post 30 Nov 2006, 13:42

Yup I noticed that little stat whist reading F1 racing mag. Conspiracy theory:

Shumi told Ferrari bosses he would retire at the end of 2006, way back in December of 2005! They knew it would mark the 248th race of his career - hence the name!

Just playing.

schumi Drove 250 GP's

No he raced in 248. He was ENTRED into 250 though lol. DNQ & DNS sort of things prevented him from starting the two races I imagine.

DaveKillens · Post 02 Dec 2006, 06:17

Many Ferraris are labelled according to engine type and displacement. The 24 is for 2.4 liters, and the 8 for V-8.

Ray · Post 02 Dec 2006, 07:53

Wasn't one of the past Ferraris named the F310 for the three liter V-10?

Saribro · Post 03 Dec 2006, 00:30

'96-'97 with the F310 and F310-B respectively

mx_tifoso · Post 03 Dec 2006, 02:42

'94-'95, 412 T1 and 412 T2 respectively as well, 4 litre V12's, they were the last of the V12 era in formula 1, they gave Schumacher-Benetton a run for their money,

And yes, the 248 F1 is named for its diplacement of 2,4 litres and the 8 cylinders, this tradition of naming Ferrari F1 and road cars goes back to the very beginning of the Scuderia Ferrari,

A question for zenvision, why would you think the next Ferrari F1 car will be named F658 ?

Massa - Raikkonen 2007+ !

manchild · Post 03 Dec 2006, 20:09

mx_tifosi wrote:'94-'95, 412 T1 and 412 T2 respectively as well, 4 litre V12's, they were the last of the V12 era in formula 1, they gave Schumacher-Benetton a run for their money ?!

Those were 3.5 liters V12, not 4.

I don't get what '94 and '95 Ferrari had to do with Schumacher.

Benetton was using Ford Cosworth engines in 1994 and 1995 and than switched to Renault engines in 1996. Schuey's first title came with Ford Cosworth and second one with Renault engine. Ferrari wasn't much of the rival to Williams and Benetton in those years.

West · Post 03 Dec 2006, 20:43

manchild wrote:
mx_tifosi wrote:'94-'95, 412 T1 and 412 T2 respectively as well, 4 litre V12's, they were the last of the V12 era in formula 1, they gave Schumacher-Benetton a run for their money ?!
Those were 3.5 liters V12, not 4.

I don't get what '94 and '95 Ferrari had to do with Schumacher.

Benetton was using Ford Cosworth engines in 1994 and 1995 and than switched to Renault engines in 1996. Schuey's first title came with Ford Cosworth and second one with Renault engine. Ferrari wasn't much of the rival to Williams and Benetton in those years.

B195 was powered by Renault

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benetton_B195

West · Post 03 Dec 2006, 20:43

manchild wrote:
mx_tifosi wrote:'94-'95, 412 T1 and 412 T2 respectively as well, 4 litre V12's, they were the last of the V12 era in formula 1, they gave Schumacher-Benetton a run for their money ?!
Those were 3.5 liters V12, not 4.

I don't get what '94 and '95 Ferrari had to do with Schumacher.

Benetton was using Ford Cosworth engines in 1994 and 1995 and than switched to Renault engines in 1996. Schuey's first title came with Ford Cosworth and second one with Renault engine. Ferrari wasn't much of the rival to Williams and Benetton in those years.

B195 was powered by Renault

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benetton_B195

manchild · Post 03 Dec 2006, 22:09

Yes, yes. Made a mistake.

Reca · Post 04 Dec 2006, 12:20

Spencifer-Murphy wrote: No he raced in 248. He was ENTRED into 250 though lol. DNQ & DNS sort of things prevented him from starting the two races I imagine.

One of the two is Magny-Cours 1996 when MS was in pole position but the engine exploded during the warm up lap so couldn’t start the race. The other one I don’t remember, was the incident in Monaco 1996 during the warm up lap or in the first lap(s) of race ?

mx-tifosi wrote: '94-'95, 412 T1 and 412 T2 respectively as well, 4 litre V12's, they were the last of the V12 era in formula 1, they gave Schumacher-Benetton a run for their money,

And yes, the 248 F1 is named for its diplacement of 2,4 litres and the 8 cylinders, this tradition of naming Ferrari F1 and road cars goes back to the very beginning of the Scuderia Ferrari,

A question for zenvision, why would you think the next Ferrari F1 car will be named F658 ?

It’s the number, progressive, that identifies the project in the factory, the 248F1 code number was 657 so the next year car is 658, but almost certainly that will not be the official name, at least, it never happened (although cars of late 80-early 90s are probably more commonly known with factory numbers 639, 641 or 643 than with the official ones F1/the year like F1/89).
I don’t know what they are going to use, since both the displacement + number cylinders (248) and the unitary displacement (F300) have already been used. Maybe they go back to F2007, or maybe will just add a B or a /07 after the name 248 as already happened sometimes in the past, after all the name is related with the engine and the engine is basically the same, it would make sense. On the other hand that’s the first car of a new era so maybe they want to make it clear with a completely different name... oh well, let’s wait and see, after all they had plenty of time to think about it.

BTW in the 412T1/T2 (3.5 and 3 liters respectively) the 4 means 4 valves per cylinder, solution introduced in mid 93 instead of the 5 valves per cylinder used since ‘89. The T obviously was, just like in the 312T (2,3,4,5), for Trasversale = transversal gearbox.

Certainly these cars didn’t give Schumacher-Benetton a run for their money, anyway they, the T2 in particular, weren’t so bad. In fact the first words MS said after testing the 412T2 in late 95 were : “How do you manage to not fight for the championship with this car ? It’s as good as my car was and the engine is just incredible”
You can think that that was just a lie to start his motivating work on the new crew, but his impression is confirmed by Gerhard Berger. Few years ago he said that when tested the B195, given the MS domination, he was expecting a fantastic car vastly superior to his old Ferrari but the reality was completely different, he found it absolutely instable and impossible to drive at the limit, as hard as he was trying he couldn’t replicate MS laptimes and crashed a couple of times in the vane attempts. He also said “that was when I understood how good MS actually is, he was capable to drive that car at the limit and not only for 1 lap but for the whole race.”