Saddam Dead

Post 30 Dec 2006, 05:28

Just came over the news

Ray · Post 30 Dec 2006, 07:09

Yeah, too bad it wasn't shown live so the conspiracy theorists won't gripe.

allan · Post 30 Dec 2006, 07:21

So... why is it related to f1?
was he hit by and F1 car???
for sure alonso was driving

West · Post 30 Dec 2006, 07:25

This is in the off-topic chat.

A bad man was executed but it has yet to justify the invasion.

Ray · Post 30 Dec 2006, 07:29

We found what we were looking for in Iraq. But no one believes it and for some ungodly stupid reason, they won't release the exact list of what was found. Oh well. Hope it hurt when the rope snapped tight.

Ignis Fatuus · Post 30 Dec 2006, 12:25

Ray wrote:We found what we were looking for in Iraq. But no one believes it and for some ungodly stupid reason, they won't release the exact list of what was found. Oh well. Hope it hurt when the rope snapped tight.

Yes, one finds it a bit hard to believe.

So now Saddam's dead. And what changed? Nothing.

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB82/

Ray · Post 30 Dec 2006, 12:58

True he is dead. But you have to give the situation some time to develop. You can't expect his hanging to immediately bear fruit, so to speak. Though there were many, many Iraqi celebrating after hearing the report of his death. So at least those that had family members, in some cases the whole family, brutally murdered by him and his compatriots got justice carried out.

As for the article(?), or link you posted, you have to look at it from another view. Sure they were our enemy, but so was Iran. We were supporting the enemy, but at the same time trying to rid the world of our COMMON enemy, Iran. And like true stupid, worthless politicians we are no further ahead than we were 20 years ago. Today people don't want to get rid of a problem, they want to bury thier head in the sand and hope it goes away. Then when it blows up in thier face, they point fingers at everyone but themselves. Usually, being a citizen of the US, here the majority wait till the nuke, so to speak of course, is on it's way before we think it's a 'threat'. But not me, I kill before they have the opportunity. Self preservation baby.

Ignis Fatuus · Post 30 Dec 2006, 13:12

Ray wrote:True he is dead. But you have to give the situation some time to develop. You can't expect his hanging to immediately bear fruit, so to speak. Though there were many, many Iraqi celebrating after hearing the report of his death. So at least those that had family members, in some cases the whole family, brutally murdered by him and his compatriots got justice carried out.

As for the article(?), or link you posted, you have to look at it from another view. Sure they were our enemy, but so was Iran. We were supporting the enemy, but at the same time trying to rid the world of our COMMON enemy, Iran. And like true stupid, worthless politicians we are no further ahead than we were 20 years ago. Today people don't want to get rid of a problem, they want to bury thier head in the sand and hope it goes away. Then when it blows up in thier face, they point fingers at everyone but themselves. Usually, being a citizen of the US, here the majority wait till the nuke, so to speak of course, is on it's way before we think it's a 'threat'. But not me, I kill before they have the opportunity. Self preservation baby.

I don't say he didn't deserve it. when you help someone in a war, he is not an enemy, he's an ally.

I don't want to say you can't defend yorself, but what good did this all war bring? A dead of one man and civil war where die many people every day and things are not improving... Terrorists are as "terroristic" as ever, because they thrive on situations like this. And because most of them are not helped by either Iraq or Iran. So I don't see any good in this. It definitely doesn't help me feel safer, it just points out religional and racial differences - even here in middle of Europe. And that is something I think is a very bad way to go...

allan · Post 30 Dec 2006, 16:52

i donno why americans find it really hard to mind their own business...They wanna convince all the world that they went to iraq for democrasy, not for OIL.
and what's more annoying, they wanna drag everybody to their own wars...
name one war that took place without the americans being involved in it... NONE!!! they even had a civil war....

i really hate saddam, and all the arabic system in generall, but the big fat old stinky guy in white house isn't any better....

Tom · Post 30 Dec 2006, 18:28

name one war that took place without the americans being involved in it... NONE!!!

er, the 100 years war.

sorry, couldn't resist.

Anyway you both have a point, Ridding the world of Saddam can only be a good thing, although he is a human being none the less and there is nothing you can do that is worse than take the life of another, whoever he may be.
However you can't honestly say that America went in there just to liberate Iraq. What is far worse for me is that my country went into this war and there was nothing I could do to stop that, I am now represented by a bunch of people sitting round a table who would throw their own mothers down a well rather than speak the straight truth about a real issue, and a bunch of halfwits in Kaki uniform shooting random people in a desert, who don't know the name of their own mothers and can't spell the name of the country that sent them there.
I could go on for a long time about this but I don't want to get into a silly argument with anyone on new years eve, eve.

P.S. I'm curious, where the hell did Iran come into all this and if they've been a problem for 20 years why did you invade their neighbour?

dumrick · Post 30 Dec 2006, 19:14

I'm strongly against death penalty and, in an invaded country, the invasor-friendly government making an impersonation of a fair trial (where some judges are put aside for not being friendly to the invasor's way of thinking) and killing the previous ruler, doesn't strikes me down as being an intelligent way of bringing peace to a country.
Don't read me wrong: Saddam was a bad guy, put in power by the Americans in the 80's to stop Sovietic influence in the middle east, and I have no sympathy for him. But Irak is hardly more peaceful or living better than it was with Saddam - which only shows that imposing anything on other nations (being Saddam or a make believe democratic government) - doesn't help things.
But I'm sure american oil companies are happier now, though...

allan · Post 30 Dec 2006, 19:28

i do agree with all of u guys, but there are some hidden facts that nobody actually knows...
i lived in syria most of my life, and before the war in iraq, believe it or not, saddam was protecting christians from religious islamic groups which were destroying both iraq and syria..
after the war, 3 million chistian iraqies moved to damascus (syria), because of the violence against them....
say saddam had mass distruction bombs, israel has even more... not to mention Korea, China, russia, and america...
terrorists??? u can say so if they weren't deffending their countries against foreign invaders, who wanted to bring their bullshit democratic system...
America did a great job in Afghanstan, and i hate to confess it....
but in iraq, it's all bs, they proved the american dream....

Ray · Post 30 Dec 2006, 21:09

Can anyone honestly say that americans are in control of any oil rig? And if they are why aren't we pumping it out of the ground and sending it here as fast as possible?

As for being in every war. Ever heard of the the UN? Apparently all of you think we just start a war and make every one join in. We are obligated to defend over half the world because we signed certain treaties to protect everyone and their damn brother. Since WWII, we have saved every person butt from the fire we could. It's always our fault for everything from not doing enough, to doing too much.

Let me ask you guys this. Where were the navies of the 11 Indian ocean countries, hit by the tsunami in 2004, when the US was hit by Katrina? Nowhere to be found. Where were any countries in Europe? Where was Australias Navy helicopters? Where was the UN? NOWHERE! None of you helped us. You sat back and pointed fingers and laughed. We are obligated to help every single person and every single country that is in europe. We saved Europe with the help of a few other countries and we get the french telling US we are the bad guys? Please.

I could care less what happens in other countries, in the nicest way of course. I mean that it's everyones individual reponsibility to take care of themselves, not a committee like the UN. Every news agency in the world in celebrating the UN having a new leader after Koffi Annan. That guy actually said, and I quote, "No community anywhere suffers from too much rule of law"! Say WHAT?!?! How about Russia, China, or perhaps North Korea? That guy is a blithering idiot, and if he leads the world in the form of a precursor to a one world govt, count me out. I know he's out now and not in charge anymore, but there are like minded folks there with him. This guy says very dumb things, and was caught up in scandal for stealing untold amounts of money. Remember the Oil for Food program? Embezzeled by the UN. The entity that is supposedly heling the world. What were the punishments doled out? Anyone? Anyone?

And I'd love to know of anyone who has been to Iraq other than me. I have been there and the majority of what you read, see, and hear is false. I don't think we should be there. But it doesn't matter. If we sat on our hands and something bad happened, it would still be our fault.

West · Post 30 Dec 2006, 21:19

Supposedly, our "friend" Jay Rockefeller had told several Middle Eastern countries that an invasion of Iraq was possible in 2002. And then we have Georges Sada, former Iraqi Air Force commander, who stated that WMDs were moved to Syria prior to the invasion.

I see the execution as nothing more than something to justify Bush's reason to invade Iraq - to remove a dictator. He may have been a dictator but at least we didn't have people killing each other and people wanting to blame the US for everything.

A lot of Americans don't agree with the war but it's those retarded pro-war people who say if we aren't for the war, we support the terrorists. Funny how most of them don't even participate in the war themselves...

tomislavp4 · Post 30 Dec 2006, 21:22

Ok, ok just don´t get too angry

Doctors said that it´s not good for your health