Calling all engineers (UK based)

[kilcoo316]

Got this forwarded to me earlier.

All,

Astronautics engineer Jon Jennings has this week leapt on the online petition bandwagon to call for the title of "engineer" to be a protected title. Jennings has joined an escalating list of people using 10 Downing Street's online petition trial to drum up support for his campaign to restore respect in engineers.

"Car mechanics, plumbers and electricians are now commonly referred to as engineers and banks now regard engineers as semi skilled," says his petition.

With 2,400 signatories to date, the petition already tops the "business and industry" category. But it still lags well behind the road pricing petition which received 1.7M signatories before it closed on Tuesday and even falls short of the 3,707 who want the prime minister to stand on his head and juggle ice-cream.

So if you agree that the status of the engineer is undervalued in society sign the petition:

http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/Engineer-Status/
<http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/Engineer-Status/>

Oh and of course pass it on to all your engineering friends

It is important we do this guys/gals, as it will probably affect things like your insurance premiums, credit ratings etc.

[Scuderia_Russ]

It could be argued that car mechanics, plumbers and electricians perform engineering operations every working day of their lives so I'm intersted to see what this guys classification of an engineer is.

[kilcoo316]

It could be argued that car mechanics, plumbers and electricians perform engineering operations every working day of their lives so I'm intersted to see what this guys classification of an engineer is.

Well, I know in france, you cannot call yourself an engineer unless you have a 4 year masters degree.

I'd imagine it would be something similar.

[manchild]

I had no idea that I'm an engineer

[Tom]

Surely you need at least a degree in engineering (it should be clear, you have a BEng, which is Bachalor Engineering, or an MEng, Masters Engineering, or I think you can be a doctor of engineering) How hard is that to understand?

[wazojugs]

i have signed this petition as the name engineer is used very loose catering from drinks dispenser repairers to qualified engineers.

Plus is pises me off when i state that i am a qualified engineer and people think i am a mechanic.

[f1.redbaron]

I heard that, in the UK, in order to be politically correct, you can't say "a window washer" - you have to refer to them as the engineers for the optical enhancement of the high-rise buildings. Is that true?

I guess that the squeegee and the laptop can now both be categorized as the tools used by the engineers

[Tom]

I'll still call them a bloody window washer, I've never heard them refered to as this and hope I never do again. Next the fat arse lorry drivers that fly past me on their mobiles will be calling themselves 'Engineers for the transportation of tabesco nemus'

[flynfrog]

sounds like a bunch of engineers who think that a tittle means something to me

face it you are no more important than anyone else

[kilcoo316]

sounds like a bunch of engineers who think that a tittle means something to me

It means something to us.


As I mentioned, it will affect things like our credit ratings as obviously a real engineer will usually be on more (and have more job security) than say a window cleaner.

[RH1300S]

Interesting topic

On the one hand it's a bit like the EU saying that bananas have to have a certain bend or you can't call them a banana All a bit fussy........

But I fully sympathise - this problem exists purely because of stupid PC. When you have to call a toilet cleaner a Sanitation Engineer - then you know you have problems.

In Victorian times being an engineer meant something - and it should today.

I'd make an exception for jobs that tradionally attracted the description "engineer" like the guy who works in a ship's engine room.

Otherwise stop calling people engineers for normal jobs - it's all very silly.

Good luck

[flynfrog]

sounds like a bunch of engineers who think that a tittle means something to me

It means something to us.


As I mentioned, it will affect things like our credit ratings as obviously a real engineer will usually be on more (and have more job security) than say a window cleaner.

what about an electrical engineer they don't take the FE exam here

or my position of manufacturing engineer i have a 4 year degree so i can be called an engineer too right



i agree every thing is an engineer these days but i don't see it affecting your credit rating last time i checked it had nothing to do with your job tittle

[kilcoo316]

what about an electrical engineer they don't take the FE exam here

or my position of manufacturing engineer i have a 4 year degree so i can be called an engineer too right



i agree every thing is an engineer these days but i don't see it affecting your credit rating last time i checked it had nothing to do with your job tittle

FE? Meaning the institute? That is for chartered engineers - quite different from what I mean.


Did you do an engineering degree?


Of course it affects credit rating/insurance etc. You think that a 22 year old working as a mechanic is comparable to a 22 year old working in a graduate engineering job for say... caterpillar?

[flynfrog]

what about an electrical engineer they don't take the FE exam here

or my position of manufacturing engineer i have a 4 year degree so i can be called an engineer too right



i agree every thing is an engineer these days but i don't see it affecting your credit rating last time i checked it had nothing to do with your job tittle

FE? Meaning the institute? That is for chartered engineers - quite different from what I mean.


Did you do an engineering degree?


Of course it affects credit rating/insurance etc. You think that a 22 year old working as a mechanic is comparable to a 22 year old working in a graduate engineering job for say... caterpillar?

Credit rating is based off of debt and how well you control it yearly salary has more to do with credit rating than job tittle.

and no i don't have an engineering degree i have a technology degree my point being whats the difference i interview for engineer positions all the time

manufacturing engineer or industrial engineer

my question is to you what is the line in the sand that says one is an engineer and one is not

[kilcoo316]

my question is to you what is the line in the sand that says one is an engineer and one is not

I already told you what they do in France, and to be honest, I would have no problem going along with it.