Making a car pattern from a 3D modelling programme

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Making a car pattern from a 3D modelling programme

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I was just wondering if anyone knew a pattern maker or how does one call it when you make a PU plastic model from a 3D model. I'm working on a car project in possibly 1/43 scale which I hope to get designed in 3D from blueprints. Which when finished I hope to make a scale model out of, just like how they do in f1.

I have been reading into the subject of moulding for quite a while now, and I thought it might be an interesting idea to see what I can do in 1/43 scale first.

However I do need a scale model (pattern) to take a mould from. Anyone that could point me in the right direction of a pattern, somedbody who can cut PU foam from my 3D model (which I still have to put together any (semi-)pros who can do this?)

Well do let me know, I'm trying to do most things myself but for some things I just don't have the expertise.

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I avoided working around the house by spending a few minutes finding this mouldmaking freeware program :wink:

http://www.cocreate.com/OneSpaceModelingPE.cfm

Done for the day - naptime.

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I watched a sculptor building a plug for a series of figures for an installation - he took a rectangular foam block - attached an X axis template of plywood - cut it with a hot wire - repeated with a Y axis template - then finished 3D to near finished form with handtools - using a series of templates - any shape is possible - the plug can be used to make a mould - a rough technique that could be adapted to your project?

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Two questions:

1) kurtiejjj, why 1/43? Seems like quite an arbitrary scale and for a car, the model will be really small.

2) Carlos, in that program, is there a special tool or a feature to design, fabricate or CNC molds? What do you mean by "moldmaking", exactly?

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Checkered - I misspoke - the 1st link is to a modeling program. Here is a freeware CNC suite - written in Linux. I'm not familar with these programs - just turned them up while passing time & thought they might be useful.

http://sourceforge.net/projects/cnc-suite

EDIT - Here is a Freeware CNC program for Windows:

http://www.brothersoft.com/utilities/mi ... 10184.html

1/43 is a popular scale for diecast collectable cars and such.

Enjoy the evening.
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OK, thanks, I will.

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Kurtiejjj - My posts could not have been much help - I did not read your question with care - I believe you are looking for a company to make a polyurethane (resin?) prototype that can be used to make a mold so that you can cast 1/43 scale models? That is a very small size to work with - perhaps something a little larger? 1/8 scale may be a possiblity - much easier to cut foam to that sort of size than 1/43rd scale - perhaps I still don't understand the problem well.

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Carlos the links you posted is exactly the kind of thing I'm looking for. If it means I can import blueprints into the prgramme it would be exactly what I was looking for. I have been trying with Zmodeler, which I think sucks, but probaply it's me who sucks. That why I think I will have to contact someone who can do it for me. And beside that it needs to be transferred to CAD?CAM before it's ready for a 3D cutter to cut the PU. I've seen this process on TV before reall interesting.

As for the scale, yes it might be quite small but I only need the basic tub/chassis to be cut which isn't a complex shape. The wings will be seperate and wheels hubs as well, suspension will be hand built as that is only a few tubes. I know where to get some blueprints of another car so I might try that first beofre embarking on my own.

Hopefully this cleared it up, I was quite vague in my first post.

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Kurtiejjj - Here is a site that will probably offer a wealth of assistance - Glad to contribute to your project - a great pleasure.

http://www.3dcadtips.com/

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Thanks for that I really appreciate the replies, I will go through that site when I have some more time on my hands.

When googled forCNC 3D PU cutter this came up:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/CNC-router-millin ... dZViewItem

If you scroll down the page there are a few video examples of what this thing can do. And I have to say it's pretty impressive when you bear in mind it costs 1500 pounds. Look at that vase from foam. I remember that my father payed about 8k for a similar machine with which you could cut plastic letters.

Obviously I'm not going to buy as that would be a too big investment. So I have to find someone who has such a machine.

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A few posts ago I mentioned an artist that was using a hot wire and templates to cut a series of human foam figures - he just lives across the street - it just shows what can be done with handtools :

A design & construction by Robert Charles Coyle:
http://www.suberic.net/~goodmanj/davinci/

Yes - way off topic - but it shows what can be done by hand - with skill, precision and imagination.

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This is a program that is often used in automotive design ... mainly for body design. Blender - a "3D content suite" - and freeware:

http://www.blender.org/

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if you're really keen on making a few foam models about the house, try building a small 3D router. it's not that expensive and not that hard if all you want to do is cut foam... i'm in the process of building something to do the same thing on a larger scale (still auto related)... hardware and software included it's under $US1500. for the scale you're after it could be under half that.

a program that converts a CAD model into machine code is called a g-code generator. a popular program is mach3 (by artsoft) - it's popular as it's cheap and it does machine control too, meaning you can give it a file and it doesn't just spit out the g-code, it actually does the machine control too.

there are in truth various programs that do this. they're limited in flexibility by what input files they'll take (if you're talking 'blueprints' i take it you mean autocad files, though common inputs are STL etc where surfaces are concerned) and in the level of "control complexity" the code can generate. the cheap stuff will do three axis work (the machine head moves in three directions). the pro gear will compute code for 5 axes or more. three axis machines are relatively simple to make. 5 axis+ machines are quite complex but can manufacture some very complex shapes. your budget may limit you to three axis work, and you may need to flip about your part a few times to make the most of the machine if you require more complex cuts (so you won't be just designing a part but datums to help manufacture it too).

the point is to visualise how you're going to manufacture something prior to designing it - manufacturing limitations put severe limitations on what's possible in design or in what concessions need to be made to a design.

if you're just making small model cars, there's small mills you can purchase that will go through just about anything (an X3 or similar). between these and small lathes people have built complete working scale model engines let alone complete cars, and yes, they can be automated too (and driven CNC... quite amazing).

you can even automate a hotwire very cheaply (i've done this and have built some very complex foam models for testing successfully).

you may want to head over to cnczone (forum) and have a look... lots of people from around the world doing amazing things with CNC and model cars etc. you may even find an enthusiast local to your area that can assist you.

i hope this helps and i'm not rambling about something useless to you :D

PS for a part that size why not try lost foam casting? can be done at home, relatively quick and easy, quite accurate, needs no female mold... if you're only after 1 in a small size, could just work...

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Wow, kurtiejjj

Carlos and SZ, thanks for your effort, really inspiring stuff. I hadn't even thought I could build my own private CNC lab!

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checkered wrote:Wow, kurtiejjj

Carlos and SZ, thanks for your effort, really inspiring stuff. I hadn't even thought I could build my own private CNC lab!
lots of plan kits floating about on the web.

for a simple wood and foam router, david steele's plans are actually quite good and were a lot of inspiration for my own design (or you can build them as read). see http://solsylva.com/cnc/cnchome.html. these are all three axis machines. plenty of kits for the motors and the drives (see the links enclosed) though i've seen it done really cheaply with stepper motors sourced off some really inane sources (dead photocopiers etc).

these plans certainly aren't the only ones out there. but they're quite well written, very well explained and quite straightforward to build (they also suited my needs very well).

a three axis machine with limited z travel may mean you'll be joining a few CNC'd bits together to make large scale parts, but foam is really, really cheap. so is glue. if you want rigidity to take a mold off, machine into fibreboard, or undercut the foam part 5-25mm, spray it with a filler, and then machine that. you'll be able to coat and take a fibreglass/PVC mold very easily (many a kit/supercar has it's composite panels built... in a process nearly exactly like this).

cost rises exponentially with the hardness of what you're cutting into and the speed at which you want to cut it. if you want to cut steel at an industrial rate with mega accuracy you'll need a super rigid machine and big, strong motors. big, big money. but if you're cutting foam at home and you're not concerned about whether a job takes 10 mins or 50 to cut...

with a little ingenuity you can also turn such machines into a digitizer (e.g. to scan an existing part). time consuming but very, very accurate.

five axis machines to cut foam made by DIY efforts are not unheard of - there's one in australia that can cut foam blocks large enough to mold complete car panel sections in made for about $US1500 - but it takes some serious programming skill to write your own g-code generator.

if you want to work metal at home for small model work you're far off buying a lathe or mill to suit your needs, you'll have all the rigidity, lubrication, chucking etc needs right there even if it's second hand (so long as it's been looked after). remember, you can always convert a metalworking machine to CNC the homebrew way - it's not particularly expensive and the resulting accuracy/repeatability/speed with which you can make interesting stuff is quite amazing.

i would seriously consider building a small three axis machine to cut foam and wooden models in... your skill in designing parts will develop very quickly once you have a means of inexpensively prototyping what you've worked on.