Safety car rules are ridiculous

[Steven]

I just really have to say this.

After having a black flag for Juan Pablo Montoya last year, and now again with two drivers, a rethink is required. I mean, what is the reasoning behind having the pitlane exit closed while the safety car drivers by.

In fact I have an alternative. A new rule that orders existing drivers to join the pack behind the car he's aside of when exiting the pitlane. Passing a car in the pack would result in a drive through.

Second, closing the pitlane when the SC rolls out is just stupid. As with Alonso, sometimes there is no chance to continue one more lap, and punishing a driver with a stop and go just for that I idiotic.

Does anyone agree with me?

[bizadfar]

well i agree this years SC in stupid compared to previous years.

I think JPM's DSQ was fair as he changed his mind about the red light when Mclaren screwed him over that race. (as he exited the pits he sped up obviously then slowed down near the light and then just continued). The rules back then were clear.

[m3_lover]

I will be in the majority over here..but I like it..it mixed up the whole field and made the race more interesting to watch.

[Steven]

well i agree this years SC in stupid compared to previous years.

I think JPM's DSQ was fair as he changed his mind about the red light when Mclaren screwed him over that race. (as he exited the pits he sped up obviously then slowed down near the light and then just continued). The rules back then were clear.

I think the SC rules last year were identical to this year I think. They were new last year.

[vyselegend]

This is all nonsense.

Those rules makes the race result random.
It's exiting in a way, but F1 isn't a Casino game! Luck (and the lack of it) always have an important part in a race week end, but it's impact should be minimised, because the race result should reward those doing better, and not who won at Bingo Lottery

Plus, there were no comprehensible reasons to justify these rule, they just went up with it.
Whatever, closing the pit lane, be it at ANY time through a race, is just plain stupid.

edit:
BTW, I'm quite sure Montoya's DSQ here was in 2005, not last year, and IIRC the penality was given for not respecting the red lights, like FM & GF today.

[tomislavp4]

I agree with M3_lover, it really made the race more interesting to watch and I don´t mind if they leave the rule unchanged

It geaves the teams headakes and it´s easy to make mistakes which makes drivers loose/gain positions, and more interesting race to watch

Thats how I look at it anyway

[checkered]

The rules need to

be rethought. I don't mind if the tactics involved are complicated for the team. If that's what the FIA wants, then fine by me. But for the drivers, as much as they can do to comply with the rules, the specific requirements of every situation must be absolutely clear. I cannot imagine that Fisichella, Massa, Alonso or Rosberg willfully undermined their drives. Even if it was an eventful race (to put it nicely), the FIA should realize that four pitlane related punishments per race doesn't mean that the drivers have suddenly become some kind of rebels without a cause.

[manchild]

Of course they are ridiculous, Mossley made them, remember?

[Rob W]

Read here:
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As I said months ago.

The safety car rules cost plenty of drivers valuable points yesterday, Alonso especially.

Rob W

[joseff]

I cannot imagine that Fisichella, Massa, Alonso or Rosberg willfully undermined their drives.

Massa: Really didn't see the light IMHO.

Fisichella: If you watch the replay, he almost stopped at the light. Then suddenly decided to follow Massa. Bad move.

[pRo]

I cannot imagine that Fisichella, Massa, Alonso or Rosberg willfully undermined their drives.

Massa: Really didn't see the light IMHO.

Fisichella: If you watch the replay, he almost stopped at the light. Then suddenly decided to follow Massa. Bad move.

In their own words, Massa said he wasn't even looking at the lights, but the cars behind him. Fis said he didn't notice the light, cause he was busy trying to beat Kubica, who was next to him. Alonso said he had to pit, or he would've run out of fuel. Haven't heard Rosbergs comments, but I believe he was also scheduled for a pitstop and just couldn't stay out any longer.

[joseff]

I don't have the video handy, but I was sure I saw Fisi slowing down at the same time Kubica was stopping for the light.

Rosberg & Sam Michael both said he simply had no fuel and had to stop. Rosberg missed the pitstop window by 13 secs.

[mx_tifoso]

I agree with M3_lover, it really made the race more interesting to watch and I don´t mind if they leave the rule unchanged

....., and more interesting race to watch

Would this point of view be persuaded in any way by the fact that BMW with the drive of N.Heidfield scored a 2nd place?

Anyways, the numerous SC periods and semi-new SC rules definately make for a Bingo Lottery result (as mentioned earlier by a fellow member). Even if the Canadian circuit differs a lot from Monaco, it still offers similar results, pretty much unpredictable. And as in Monaco, barriers in close proximity to the track make for a costly consequence to a simple error.
Max or who ever make these rules (SC) should most definately give a whirl to re-thinking them. But then again every one who would have made more money upon Hamilton winning has certainly done so, I would imagine Bernie is celebrating like never before with his new money/media source.

I guess there rules are meant to benefit a specific amount of people, obviously including Bernie, in some sort of way. Weeding out the top drivers and letting the race be a free for all for the mid-front runners. The multiple SC periods including the closed pit lane make for many drivers to take unwanted risks and recieve unecessary penalties, ex: Alonso, Massa, Rosberg, to mention a few (IIRC).

And who else could have won the race? As we may remember: Pole=Win.
The only exception to the rule this season being Sepang; Massa going from Pole to 5th place finish.
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If I sound a bit bitter or resentful you may take a guess as to why, consider Ferrari's result this weekend one reason, and a winner who has had everything in his motorsport career handed to him in a silver platter the second reason, enough said for now.

[pRo]

a winner who has had everything in his motorsport career handed to him in a silver platter

I don't think that's fair. You really should study his history, because he has had a motorsport career before F1, though the big public only sees this. Apparently it was very close that he didn't drop out of the McLaren "silver platter service"..

He has had an amazing start in F1, but it's not just because he has a good car and silver platter. It's because he has deserved the place in the good car and is doing very well in it. It's not like all of us could just jump into McLaren and be just as good as he is.

[mx_tifoso]

a winner who has had everything in his motorsport career handed to him in a silver platter

I don't think that's fair. You really should study his history, because he has had a motorsport career before F1, though the big public only sees this. Apparently it was very close that he didn't drop out of the McLaren "silver platter service"..

He has had an amazing start in F1, but it's not just because he has a good car and silver platter. It's because he has deserved the place in the good car and is doing very well in it. It's not like all of us could just jump into McLaren and be just as good as he is.

To a certain extent I have studied Hamilton's motorsport history, and I have even spent some time watching some videos of his Kart days, of which I can say was quite impressive.

I am not saying he doesnt deserve it (who would I be to judge that?), but as we all know, he has been given practically the best of everything for a very long time now. Mclaren have sponsored him since his early teenage years. And now, have given him the race seat of one of the "best" race cars on the Formula 1 grid.

But right before F1 there was GP2, and which team did he race for? ART Grand Prix, and before GP2 there was ASM. To the say the least, he has been served with a silver platter for some time now. It makes his success all that less impressive, while at the same time I actually do admire his skill and devotion to the sport.

Time to get to sleep, its early morning here, about 1am. I will most likely have to re-check my posts tomorrow morning just to make sure I said and wrote everything appropiately, I'm practically asleep right now!

Asta mañana.