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When will we see American Teams in Formula 1? Chevy, Ford, Dodge, Pontiac. We need more F1 American Champions. We also need a US Grand Prix.
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I think when Americans take a huge interest in F1 and the ratings start to shift. There also has to be an American driver. There was Scott Speed but unfortunately he wasn't very fast.
I don't think an american team will appear, at least for a long time.
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f1italia wrote:When will we see American Teams in Formula 1?
1. When American auto manufacturers start making money/the price goes down and

2. When more Americans start paying attention to F1(unlikely).


Honestly, I don't think it's that likely. That and, in all honesty, the Corporate American ego is too frail to risk competing in such a high profile, international sport unless they could guarantee success, and as Toyota (and Honda) have both shown, there is not guarantee that simply having money will result in performance. Maybe an engine supplier once the freeze is lifted, or maybe, maybe a jag-style backing, but I seriously doubt you'll see a brand-name American team any time in the foreseeable future.
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Penske was talking about reentering Formula 1. Maybe he can bring an American team into the sport.

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The reason you wont see American Teams in F1 is because there is so much crap going on behind the scenes and honestly it is not worth the effort.

F1 is not what it used to be long time ago. It has changed a lot..

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American auto manufacturers haven't had the most awesome financial situation recently. F1 is outrageously expensive.

From a business perspective, they have to ask.. what do they gain for the expenditure? It is very difficult to quantify, much less predict, the change in consumer image and increased sales a successful F1 program would have.

Very difficult to justify pulling the trigger on something like that.
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f1italia wrote:When will we see American Teams in Formula 1? Chevy, Ford, Dodge, Pontiac. We need more F1 American Champions. We also need a US Grand Prix.
There are a number

of ways this could happen. Multinational car manufacturers with US brand names (such as Daimler/Chrysler was) can be tempted to use the platform. Given the upcoming Korean GP, I'm interested to see how GM Daewoo will react - some quick thinking might upset Hyundai's possible considerations about capitalising on F1's Asian push. The proximity of the Chinese market is a huge factor in all this.

After the current strongmen of F1 have moved on, the void will hopefully be filled with people who (lacking the authority in tradition, experience or command of details approaching near-dictatorial leverage) are more prone to clarify and automate the regulatory, legal and business practices in order to secure their own positions - and hopefully also a continued succession. The current manufacturer teams will also be very protective of their status - the sport being all but inaccessible can seem to work in their favour (albeit Honda, at least, can also reflect on their experience of being left without adversaries in IRL ... and the inevitable downsides to that). But should F1's exposure be the most cost effective in a given market, there's really no reason not to become a title sponsor. Given current manufacturing trends it is unlikely that the rationale would be export driven, but more likely a hybrid arrangement reflecting the current Global playing field. As such, any "US" team wouldn't probably be absolutely that but only by a degree.

What I'd like to see (and Bernie should give this some thought) is a US based, or at least US engineered, privateer Formula One team. While I see that it is very unlikely that a US car manufacturer would shoulder something like this alone, a privateer might. Such a US operation can't be based solely on F1, but will have to run a couple of nationally recognised "domestic" series as well - and do it well. Let's face it, with 20 races in a season, the sport isn't going to have 17 of those in America just to keep up interest in one of five markets. But with a more diverse and "racing recognisable" enterprise there'd be an incentive for the fans to come see their team battle the "rest of the World" once in a blue moon as the circus visits Indianapolis, Vegas, Montreal, México, or whatever ... and perhaps catch a few more races online/on TV as well.

There are some candidates emerging who have the potential to pull something like this off. And there's also a tradition from an era when motorsports were still more diverse all the way to the top. We're fast moving to a day and age when generations that do still understand, appreciate and remember that mindset fade away, but there's still an opening for them to bridge the gap and help their successors to once again paint the Stars and Stripes large on the World of motorsport. With new flexible design and manufacturing technologies and new media, thinking seriously about accommodating an American team might also benefit the operations of everyone already within Formula One.
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Interesting topic and some thoughtful posts here.

Why on earth would an American company invest (at least) $150 million per year, AFTER an initial investment of an additional $50 million or so?

What does that company get? No US GP. Worse, VERY little interest in F1 racing in the US. So does it pass one of the most basic marketing test - does it draw eyeballs? - NO.

Put it in different terms: major manufacturers sponsor TV programs. If F1 racing were a TV program in the US, it would not last a full season. And yet another spin on this: you would like to think your investment drew live viewers, right? I get up at 6:00 am Sunday morning (or stay up until 2:00 or 3:00 am) to watch F1 races live. Would a large US audience do so? NO.

OK, how about brand building? Right now F1 competition is virtually reduced to who has the best and most wind tunnels. What WOULD happen if GM entered F1 tomorrow? What engine rules would apply? And how much would they really gain? If GM crushes BMW, will GM sell more Buicks, SUVs, and pickup trucks?

Take a different perspective: why would a typical US viewer watch F1 instead of NASCAR? I'm not going down that rat hole, but I'm sure others will. F1 Does NOT give US race fans what they want.

Finally, others have already referred to the horror story that is F1 management: a mutant mix of Machiavelli and Marquis de Sade. That in itself would put off many US companies.

I WANT a us F1 team. I hope my arguments above are 100% wrong.
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donskar wrote:I WANT a us F1 team. I hope my arguments above are 100% wrong.
No they seem quite solid. However there's one more thing that wasn't mentioned I think.

Yes, I'm aware of the current (poor) financial situation of the US manufacturers, but what if one of them (most likely Chrysler) would want to sell more cars outside America? Or maybe the european Ford that is more than alive now, or maybe the Chevrolet that has nothing to do with Daewoo *cough* and currently enjoy their time in WTCC (well they still have american badges :) )

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f1italia wrote:When will we see American Teams in Formula 1? Chevy, Ford, Dodge, Pontiac. We need more F1 American Champions. We also need a US Grand Prix.
Well, in addition to everything said above, it's probably unlikely in the most part because Chevy, Dodge and Pontiac aren't big sellers anywhere outside North America. They do sell the cars under different brands in some cases but America's major manufacturers, for the most part, ignore the rest of the world as a market. They don't have nearly the global penetration as the Japanese manufacturers - in part because much of the world aren't interested in large-engined, heavy, comparatively older technology vehicles. They want cheap, lightweight and under 2 litre vehicles which generally aren't America's specialty.

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They won't because every European car company and fan would ridicule them to no end. Hell it's already started here with modbarabans comment. Besides, what do we have to prove? An American has already won the championship before.
Rob W wrote:They don't have nearly the global penetration as the Japanese manufacturers - in part because much of the world aren't interested in large-engined, heavy, comparatively older technology vehicles. They want cheap, lightweight and under 2 litre vehicles which generally aren't America's specialty.

R
Ever heard of the Solstice or the Sky? Or the Corvettes many, many wins and championships? Or maybe Cadillacs championships? Just because they make large vehicles doesn't mean they can't make small fast ones. Jesus get a clue.

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Ray wrote:
Rob W wrote:....lightweight and under 2 litre vehicles which generally aren't America's specialty.
Ever heard of the Solstice or the Sky? Or the Corvettes many, many wins and championships? Or maybe Cadillacs championships? Just because they make large vehicles doesn't mean they can't make small fast ones. Jesus get a clue.
Read closer please. I never said they don't make them or can't make them. I said they generally aren't America's specialty, which is pretty well accepted.

Please don't turn to insulting people just because you don't agree with them.

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Damn it, I just wrote three simple paragraphs and when I went to 'preview' it my session had run out and it made login again. :x

I'll try to write it once again...

Basically it said that there is nothing "hometown-ish" about Formula One for [most] Americans. The comparison comes from a NASCAR race I just watched, live from Phoenix, AZ. During the race there was a short but highly important feature of a local Phoenix driver competing in the series, which no American can say about Formula One. And since the driver who ended up winning drives a Chevrolet (yay!), the camera focused on the famous 'bowtie' for the longest time I had ever seen a camera stay focused on one single 'thing'.

And Formula One doesn't allow the maker of the car sitting in your driveway win a race, since not many people own a McLaren or a Ferrari. And even if Honda or Toyota happen to win, which have a large market share in the US, theres nothing patriotic about those two, as simple as that. America is extremely patriotic, many many people have stickers of the American flag on their cars, or have flags hanging on the side of their garages. In general, American's have never felt that way about Formula One, there has never been anything "special" about seeing foreign people do anything, much less in Formula One.

Fangio who? Is what you would hear when you ask a typical American as to who JMF is. The same would be fit for Jarno Trulli, or Ayrton Senna. But on the other hand ask who Dale Earnhardt(spelling?) is, or Jeff Gordon and you would most likely hear... "oh yeah, they're NASCAR drivers".

And just a few seconds ago on the news after the race they showed a clip of Juan Pablo Montoya too, in Spanish, I guess they are trying to reach the Hispanic community on an English channel :? . Wierd. ( And the weather girl is extremely good looking to say the least!).

A little random I know, but hey, I'm still getting over the fact that I was "screwed" and had to lose my previous, well written post. :)
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Ray wrote:Ever heard of the Solstice or the Sky? .. Jesus get a clue.
Jesus, ever heard of the Opel Speedster? If the design innovation aspect of this thread is USA v world, whether GM or not, Saturn's dramatic lineup improvement is solely due to Europe. What USA car truly leads? If the market is driven by what people want, no wonder nascar rules in the USA - IT'S WHAT THE PEOPLE WANT. Different strokes for different folks, and the USA is in it's own world.

Bernie is right, F1 doesn't need the USA, and the USA doesn't need F1. It's a dead-end subject.

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I believe that the Ford GT40 was once referred to as "The Ferrari Slayer".

I would love to see a US based team, but as has been stated, Americans are programmed bi-cameral sheep that want SIMPLE AND UNDERSTANDABLE RACING. I feel that in may ways F1 is appreciated by its fans because of subleties and finesse. The American racing appetite is whetted by straight forward, brute power, and to hell with strategy or finesse. There is also the fact that in GP racing, you only can view a portion of the track from where you sit, but the ovals give you alot more that you can see (I live 45 minutes from Pocono Raceway).

Now if an American team/driver were to step in and WIN, our media would blow the lid off of the mysticism surrounding racing in this country... It is all about the PROGRAMMING, not individual conscious thought.

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