CVC buys shares from Lehman

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Ciro Pabón
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CVC buys shares from Lehman

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I found this while googling for Delta Topco stock price. It is interred deep down in DowJones/Financial News and it's really concise.

http://www.efinancialnews.com/archive/t ... restricted
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Ciro Pabón wrote:I found this while googling for Delta Topco stock price. It is interred deep down in DowJones/Financial News and it's really concise.

http://www.efinancialnews.com/archive/t ... restricted
Your link is not accessible unless you sunscribe. The story was also on Pittpass.

http://www.pitpass.com/fes_php/pitpass_ ... t_id=35999

I believe that nothing will change. CVC have first option to buy the Lehmann shares and will probably pay a low price because they control the option. They will also have to refinance the debt held by Lehmenn which will probably increase the cost. Perhaps they can offset that by a low price for the securities.
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I believe the CVC shares are now part of the Barclay's Bank buy out of the Lehman UK debt - supposedly CVC's debt is $1.2 billion + $100 mil pa in interest - Ive heard the debt is actually $2.3 billion and the buy out is conditional on Barclay's receiving the 8 billion English pounds transferred to Lehmans US the day before the collapse - no matter Bernie gets his money up front so he's a happy camper :wink:
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casper wrote:
With the Lehman Brothers debacle, F1 shares are now worth $0.02. Lets just wait what happens to F1 next year. Maybe F1 will only end up with 5 teams - the car manufacturers.
How many shares are there in circulation? Where did you get this $0.02 valuation? F1 is not a "toxic asset" so it retains its pre Lehman crash values based upon cash return and revenues. If they are $0.02 each I want to but them, all of them. But that is it, CVC has said that they are the only "real buyer" since they have first refusal rights. If Lehman is holding a note that finances the CVC F1 deal then those parties are still obligated to the performance of that note. If Lehman had ten ounces of gold and Lehman goes broke, then the gold isn't suddenly worth pennies an ounce. It is "non-toxic" and retains its value. If Lehman want to sell the gold it can at market rates. If Lehman must now liquidate its CVC F1 funding notes for capital, there is a clause that CVC has the right of first refusal. But should CVC fail to put forth a good faith offer (no doubt contractually defined) then the liquidators for Lehman's holdings have the obligation to seek a better price on the open market. F1 is making a fair return on CVC's investment. CVC can seek another to float a new financing deal or they can put up their own capital. With the shares may or may not go the control of F1. That is in the contracts.

When you finance your home there are clauses requiring you to maintain insurance coverages, to keep the asset in good working order etc. The same can be supposed with the original financing that CVC obtained from Lehman. If CVC kept the asset (F1) in profitable shape and properly administered, then no control would revert to those who financed the deal. Therefore any sale of shares would only entitle the purchaser to their stake in the revenues and executive control would remain with CVC, who are happy to let Bernie run the show.

If the shares were floated at $0.02 there would be a rapid bidding war for them and they would escalate to a fair market price. Who knows, if CVC can't find a rival financier for them to buy back the shares Lehman is now forced to liquidate (as they have first refusal), then maybe some Arabs or even Honda and Toyota (both of whom had great $$$ years in a down market) might buy some equity interest in F1. Wouldn't that be ironic after the GPMA threat!

Its just like those ten ounces of gold. The asset retains its value based upon its performance fundamentals no matter if the holder of those notes has every other "toxic" asset he own turn to mud.
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I'm not so sure that you can divide assets when selling shares. I humbly believe it's the whole company what you buy, good and bad assets together. I don't know if Lehman is allowed by the judge overseeing the liquidation procedures to sell the good assets and hold only the "toxic" ones or if they had a separate company to hold them.

Anyway, at some other site, after Chaparral and WB clarifications (thanks, you guys), I got this from No No. 13:

Lehmans UK transfered £8bn to Lehmans New York, as they did at the end of every day, to be returned the following morning however, the day they went bust the money never came back and as a result the receivers, Pricewaterhouse Coopers, are trying to get that money returned. Now I think that Barclays purchase of Lehmans assets is in part conditional on that money coming back!!

WB, you can read the whole article (which is not a great thing) if you register for the free trial. Pitpass is clearer, thanks again.

How much of F1 has CVC now? How solid it is? Who was Lehman aligned with in the internal power struggles? That are questions that I think will be answered soon.
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Ciro, Lehmann had 18.something % and the rest is owned by CVC. if you check the previous articles on pitpass you get some details.

The whole thing isn't going to change anything to the running of F1. Even if a new shareholder would buy all Lehmann shares he would not have a qualified minority to block any decisions. and as I have said a negative impact on the refinancing costs of the debt can be offset by a buying price for the shares. Lehmann were holding shares and considerable debt. this makes it easy for CVC to play it either way they want. btw CVC have considerably reduced the debt and so the refinance of the bond could perhaps be even at a lower interest rate due to a better rating of CVC/Topco.
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