Ferrari Teamates

[panchito401]

I would think that Ferrari wouldve had Raikkonen slow down to let Massa get an extra point at the end of the race, or maybe i'm mistaken. Wouldn't Ferrari rather win the WDC instead of the WCC?

After the fact with the penalty, the drivers championship lead would be 4 points. So if Massa wins the final two races and Hamilton finishes second, Massa would tie Hamilton, but win the championship with the tie breaker which i believe is race victories.

I know that Schumacher would've definately gotten that point from any teamate.

Anyone else have any thoughts on this? I was thinking the whole final 20 laps and expecting Raikkonen to have some sort of "mechanical trouble" and slow drastically.

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[timbo]

Well, I think that these days it is Macca's who are more prone to team playing when they have chance, remeber German GP. I think that Domenicalli and Baldisseri are kind of "golden boys", they were brought to the team in the days of it's success and are not as desperate as Schumacher, Todt and Brawn were.

[axle]

Well, I think that these days it is Macca's who are more prone to team playing when they have chance, remeber German GP. I think that Domenicalli and Baldisseri are kind of "golden boys", they were brought to the team in the days of it's success and are not as desperate as Schumacher, Todt and Brawn were.

Oh my god you are so blind...at the German GP it was a completely different situation to ones like when Rubens had to pull over for Schumi. HK didn't put up a fight because he knew he couldn't catch the cars he was following, and so for the team he let Lewis go past and take the fight to them. This is what drivers in a team do...if one is limping* the other is let through.

*Limping in this example is a good second or 2 off the pace.

[oj1983]

Kimi has also already said that Massa needs to win it for himself - he's won't give up a place to anybody. He's a racer though and through and will always look after number 1!

[timbo]

Oh my god you are so blind...at the German GP it was a completely different situation to ones like when Rubens had to pull over for Schumi. HK didn't put up a fight because he knew he couldn't catch the cars he was following, and so for the team he let Lewis go past and take the fight to them. This is what drivers in a team do...if one is limping* the other is let through.

*Limping in this example is a good second or 2 off the pace.

I'm not comparing Macca's to Reds in the Schumi days. I'm comparing present McLarent to present Ferrari. I highlighted what you said, Heikki did that for his team, which is a team playing.

PS I never said it is bad.

PPS If you look at French GP, Kimi, knowing that he had a mechanical problem and being 3 seconds off the pace, held Massa for about a lap.

[Conceptual]

Well, I think that these days it is Macca's who are more prone to team playing when they have chance, remeber German GP. I think that Domenicalli and Baldisseri are kind of "golden boys", they were brought to the team in the days of it's success and are not as desperate as Schumacher, Todt and Brawn were.

Oh my god you are so blind...at the German GP it was a completely different situation to ones like when Rubens had to pull over for Schumi. HK didn't put up a fight because he knew he couldn't catch the cars he was following, and so for the team he let Lewis go past and take the fight to them. This is what drivers in a team do...if one is limping* the other is let through.

*Limping in this example is a good second or 2 off the pace.

Cry much?

[rjsa]

Kimi has also already said that Massa needs to win it for himself - he's won't give up a place to anybody. He's a racer though and through and will always look after number 1!

[-X Under the right circumstances KR will give his position to FM. Today it wasn't the case.

[axle]

Cry much?

Excellent point well made.

[Sawtooth-spike]

Kimi will,

Mainly because Brazil Last year Massa Let kim Past to win the WDC. So its only fair really

[Kester]

Whilst Kimi would probably let Massa by, Massa would need to catch up to Kimi. I very much doubt Kimi would ever slow down to let Massa catch him. Or even slow down so much that he looses 4 places to give Massa an extra point.

[Conceptual]

If it comes to that, I can see the team telling Kimi to dial back the Revs until Massa caught up. And I can seriously see Kimi doing it because he knows that he would not have been the 2007 WDC without compliance by Massa in Brasil.

Imagine leading the race in your home country, and having to slow up and give the race win to your teammate. I'm sure that if you watch the replay, you will see Massa's disappointment after the race.

Kimi knows that, but is playing the "there are no team orders" charade so there can be no acknowledgement prior that can lead to some kind of penalty.

Kimi will do what is good for Ferrari, Massa will do what is good for Ferrari, and if 2009 comes down like 2007-8 has, I'm sure they will do it again.

That is just team racing, is it not?

[The FOZ]

If it comes to that, I can see the team telling Kimi to dial back the Revs until Massa caught up. And I can seriously see Kimi doing it because he knows that he would not have been the 2007 WDC without compliance by Massa in Brasil.

Imagine leading the race in your home country, and having to slow up and give the race win to your teammate. I'm sure that if you watch the replay, you will see Massa's disappointment after the race.

Kimi knows that, but is playing the "there are no team orders" charade so there can be no acknowledgement prior that can lead to some kind of penalty.

Kimi will do what is good for Ferrari, Massa will do what is good for Ferrari, and if 2009 comes down like 2007-8 has, I'm sure they will do it again.

That is just team racing, is it not?

Agreed. Plausible deniability.