F1: To many rule changes

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F1: To many rule changes

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Radical body change, engine usage rules, KERS, point system. F1 does not know what they are doing. Every year it's something new. They are the ones costing the teams millions with all these rule changes every year. Stick to something for a couple of years. I think Nascar has the best point system plus the chase for the cup makes it very exciting.

F1 qualifying I like even though they have made some changes with that.
People don't understand that it was maybe my biggest pleasure to drive an F1 car when it's wet. - Alain Prost

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I would like to weigh in on this subject. Some of the new rules made to 'save money' do anything but. F1 cars are not spacecraft and yet the testing and development of these vehicles is increasingly mimicking aerospace practices. It seem to me that the sensors and monitors that can be mounted to the actual cars are quite sophisticated and can interface with the engineers computers very well. logic would suggest that testing the actual cars in the actual environment in which they must achieve optimum performance would be the way to go. Additionally, the personnel (race teams and drivers) would increase their experience working in the racing environment. What we see today is the move toward seven and nine post test rigs, moving-floor wind tunnels (currently 60% models, for the most part), computational fluid dynamics software run on super computers and simulators for driver development. These things are very, very expensive and I imagine cost far more than an efficient test team. I would suggest that this trend is due to the team's engineering staff. The purpose being to justify their salaries and increase their job security while padding their CV's with expertise in the areas I've mentioned. You may applaud their initiative or brand them as scrubs but it drives up the costs of F1 in a very grand manner.

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Now that I watched first practice I most say I like the new changes. I think it should be an exciting season. It seems Virgin will be putting its sponsorship on the Brawn team.
People don't understand that it was maybe my biggest pleasure to drive an F1 car when it's wet. - Alain Prost

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Nealio wrote:I would like to weigh in on this subject. Some of the new rules made to 'save money' do anything but. F1 cars are not spacecraft and yet the testing and development of these vehicles is increasingly mimicking aerospace practices. It seem to me that the sensors and monitors that can be mounted to the actual cars are quite sophisticated and can interface with the engineers computers very well. logic would suggest that testing the actual cars in the actual environment in which they must achieve optimum performance would be the way to go. Additionally, the personnel (race teams and drivers) would increase their experience working in the racing environment. What we see today is the move toward seven and nine post test rigs, moving-floor wind tunnels (currently 60% models, for the most part), computational fluid dynamics software run on super computers and simulators for driver development. These things are very, very expensive and I imagine cost far more than an efficient test team. I would suggest that this trend is due to the team's engineering staff. The purpose being to justify their salaries and increase their job security while padding their CV's with expertise in the areas I've mentioned. You may applaud their initiative or brand them as scrubs but it drives up the costs of F1 in a very grand manner.
I think that is a little unfair. You can't run a 24 hour test program on circuit. You need safety crews, standby helicopters and marshalls. There are noise restrictions at a lot of test tracks, limiting their hours of use. Most test tracks are in other countries adding to delay in getting parts to them plus you must add the cost of transporting everything out to those locations. Then there is the time aspect, it's quicker to do a CFD model than to build a mock up and test in the wind tunnel, which in turn is quicker than to build a full scale part and test on track.

You also have to consider that aerodynamically it's much easier to gain an understanding of how parts are interacting in a non-turbulent and clean airflow than it is in the real world. As the first step would always be to understand the simple interactions before the complex you are better off starting with a new part in the wind tunnel.

I'm sure there are 100 other things to consider but when all is said and done it's like most other things in life - it's better to use a variety of tools and solutions, each with their own strengths and weaknesses, than it is to focus on one and one alone.

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It may be a little unfair but remember that under the new rules you can only run your multimillion euro windtunnel for one eight hour shift now. What do you imagine the cost benefit ratio is on that. I agree that there is a balance to using all testing systems efficiently. What I disagree with is the costly development of virtual testing environments to the determent of all other avenues. The best solution isn't necessarily the one you throw the most money at! And on a selfish level testing at tracks gives we fans and reporters more opportunities to see the cars and understand the developments going on.

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Track development IMO costs way more. Wind Tunnels and rig testing costs a lot as a one-time capital expanditure + some logistical cost in personnel and utility. Track testing costs a ton since for a week of testing at the track, you are paying the travel and living expenditure of all the crew members, plus equipments transportation, plus consummables. And all the parts you want to test has to be fabricated beforehand without knowing whether certain parts does the right thing you want(if you forego lab testing). And then not to discount the fact that accidents do happen. Plus for F1-level of testing, track safety standard has to be maintained, which means full medical personnel on-site, with corner workers and cleanup crew. Then you still need to go back to the lab after the test, plug the results into your computer and make sense of most of it. And all that cost gets multiplied if you are testing out of Europe.....

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Plus, I bet that the F1 teams can now rent their tunnels to other race teams to help bring some income instead of being a cost.

Until the rules are Objectively Perfect, they need to change. The problem is that everyone confuses Subjective Perfection with this, and it all ends in politics and argument.

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F1 needs constant rules when a sustainable (both costwise and interestwise) set of rules comes in. Before that, F1 needs a revolution that allows privateers with a low budget to compete with big factory teams advertising their technologies. Currently that isn't the case, really.