Effects of a 200 liter fuel-tank?

[xpensive]

It seems that one thing is for certain for next year, re-fuelling will be gone, why as a conclusion the 2010 cars need to be designed for what, a 200 liter fuel-capacity?

Can't remember how many years since that was done, but an xtra 100 dm^3 of volume somewhere, should at least make the cars look a little different from the outside I guess?

[kilcoo316]

It'll have to be a longer wheelbase I think.

There are restrictions on how wide the fuel tank can be (isn't there?)

[timbo]

Probably longer wheelbase and more forward position of the driver.

[xpensive]

100 liters is a considerable volume, are there rules on how far upfront you can be with the driver's feet?

[timbo]

100 liters is a considerable volume, are there rules on how far upfront you can be with the driver's feet?

Probably no, but there's regulation on cross section at the foot well AFAIK

[DaveKillens]

Here's the revised 2010 regulations. For the fuel system, details are in Article 6.
http://argent.fia.com/web/fia-public.ns ... 4-2009.pdf

6.1.3 Fuel must not be stored more than 400mm from the longitudinal axis of the car.

The section pertaining to refuelling is crossed out, which indicates no more refuelling. There is also no mention of capacity, I assume that will be left to the teams to decide.

6.1.2 All the fuel stored on board the car must be situated between the front face of the engine and the driver's back when viewed in lateral projection. When establishing the front face of the engine, no parts of the fuel, oil, water or electrical systems will be considered.
Furthermore, no fuel can be stored more than 300mm forward of the highest point at which the driver's back makes contact with his seat. However, a maximum of 2 litres of fuel may be kept outside the survival cell, but only that which is necessary for the normal running of the engine.

The driver will be pushed forward, but that too is restricted because of Article 13.4.2

13.4.2 When he is seated normally, the soles of the driver's feet, resting on the pedals in the inoperative position, must not be situated forward of the front wheel centre line.

[xpensive]

Anyone knows where the hell Kubica's feet are at now?

[Callum]

Anyone knows where the hell Kubica's feet are at now?

I think they'l have to remove the front wing and let his legs dangle out.

[DaveKillens]

This is why we have rule 13.4.2 and current impact standards to keep integrity in the driver's cell.

[xpensive]

Seems to me that with the above rules, the only way to accommodate a two-hundred liter tank, without a very long wheel-base, will be to build it higher?

Thinking of which, could BMW's current (long?) wheelbase have anything to do with Kubica's length?

[Conceptual]

I would expect to see the length increase significantly, but one would expect to find the KERS storage device located above said tank because of the identical regulated location of the 2 items.

Is there anything in the regs to prevent the drivers position to be more like a motorcycle instead of a luge sled?

THAT would fix an aweful lot of these problems I think!

[Giblet]

I suggested something similar in regards to driver position, although not as far as a bike riding position.

A mandated more upright driver position would allow for the fuel tank, help driver visibility to keep wings after turn 1, and increase frontal area, slowing the cars a small amount, like the new rules were supposed to do.

[ringo]

Just to put in a crazy idea, I would recommend multiple fuel tanks like an air craft. Maybe a tank could be above the transmission with a shark fin fairing for aerodynamics. This sounds crazy and dangerous but a smaller tank could also be right within the section behind the removable nose, above and ahead of the steering wheel shaft; thereabout. I could be breaking a few regulations here.

[Callum]

I suggested something similar in regards to driver position, although not as far as a bike riding position.

A mandated more upright driver position would allow for the fuel tank, help driver visibility to keep wings after turn 1, and increase frontal area, slowing the cars a small amount, like the new rules were supposed to do.

Would this mean moving the airbox up, so that it can get clean airflow as i think tall driver's heads would get in the way.

[Giblet]

We're only talking about a couple of inches here in overall height change, so it shouldn't be a huge stretch to squish the airbox or the rules can allow for a taller airbox, which has the roll hoop in it, which would have to be raised as well if the driver position is.

There was a pic floating around on the net, and maybe this site as well, of Valentino Rossi riding a Ferrari F1 car on top like a motorcycle.

Anyone got it?

Found it