Ideas thread - what rule changes would you do for '10 &'11

[Dukeage]

Sort of simple idea : what rule changes would you do for 2010 and 2011 if you had deposed Mosley?

I forsee the main issues as beingc ost control to ensure that manufacturers can justify their presence, as well as independant teams can keep their heads above water. However, the budget cap is not a good idea politically.
Road relevant technologies will keep the manufacturers happy, but if they cut costs
These priorities have to be balanced whilst ensuring that F1 is worth watching and viable for the teams - hopefully with them buying out CVC's stake in FOM.

I've got some, but I'll post them in a while to ensure they are ready, and so that the thread doesn't revolve around my world domination plan

[jddh1]

Well, I have a shocking change to propose to Max: Don't change the rules for a while. How about that?

[Callum]

Well, I have a shocking change to propose to Max: Don't change the rules for a while. How about that?

Your insane!


I'd like to see more open regulations prefferably in the engine and aero department.

[kilcoo316]

Here are my rule changes:

Fix the DDD loophole.

Done.

[tk421]

Well, I have a shocking change to propose to Max: Don't change the rules for a while. How about that?

yeah i agree. you want cost savings? how about all the money the teams would have saved if we were still on the 3 litre v-10 20,000 rpm formula with the rest of the 2005 regs. max is an idiot. every time he changes the rules he forces teams to spend millions and millions of extra dollars.

[andartop]

Well, I have a shocking change to propose to Max: Don't change the rules for a while. How about that?

=D> =D> =D>



PS. NOT EVEN THE QUALIFYING FORMAT

(It's really getting tiring lately having to explain all these rule changes to my non-fanatical-about-F1-but-still-interested-friends...
Now they'll start asking why the teams are leaving F1, and what am I going to tell them? I'm too embarrassed to tell the truth!
I'm just glad I don't have any kids!)

[nae]

rule 1.0.0 No FIA President may stay on for more than 2 terms

[Conceptual]

Here are my rule changes:

Fix the DDD loophole.

Done.

Why would you do that? The investments have been made.

Throwing it away after being forced to accept its legality would make you worse than Max.

The DDD is a concept that works. Aren't you tired of the stuff that works constantly being "fixed"?

[kilcoo316]

Why would you do that?

We'll then see the cars as the OWG intended.

It does make a difference, but not with the more aggressive diffusers.


Oh, and as for the idea that the expense has already been fully incurred - ludicrous.

It has only just begun.

[ISLAMATRON]

PS. NOT EVEN THE QUALIFYING FORMAT

Yes they should change the format....

4 qual sessions with 6 cars eliminated in the first 3 sessions
Q1 25 mins
Q2 20 mins
Q3 15 mins
Q4 10 mins... and of course all sessions on low fuel

[Conceptual]

Why would you do that?

We'll then see the cars as the OWG intended.

It does make a difference, but not with the more aggressive diffusers.


Oh, and as for the idea that the expense has already been fully incurred - ludicrous.

It has only just begun.

I guess all the more reason why it would only be banned by a retard. That would be like banning KERS and 2.4l V8's for 2010.

The cost will be paid for in 2009, so why would you not allow the carry over into 2010? Do you secretly like to see teams developing dead technologies?

You sound like a Necromonger looking for the UnderVerse... And make about as much sense.

[hpras]

you take a box, you fill it with money. That is your budget, the size your car has to be, and the weight your car has to be. After that, it's up to you. Spend as much as you like, but you will have a bigger heavier car. A million dollar bills would weight about a tonne, so you would need some kind of sane conversion... 50:1 or 75:1 to get a decent budget/weight ratio, or maybe you would have to use $50 bills, as 1 million dollar bills takes up about 1.1 m3.

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[andartop]

4 qual sessions with 6 cars eliminated in the first 3 sessions

Given we don't really know yet how many teams will be competing next year, if your suggestion was to be adopted, with the current lineup of 10 teams there would be 2 cars left on Q4.

[WhiteBlue]

I would like a formula where all progress on performance is achieved by higher fuel efficiency.

That means fixed level of maximum downforce, almost open definition of bodywork only restricted by safety and common sense.

Fixed maximum fuel flow and total fuel amount per race. Unlimited energy recovery by any method you like.

No refuelling, low fuel qualifying.

30 races/a and zero testing in season except during race weekend.

Add some long track endurance races of double distance for Le Mans, Spa and Nordschleife.

Budget capped competition with garanteed low cost engines.

Manufacturers allowed to spend outside budget to improve engines and KERS but must sell to all asking parties at set price.

[Dukeage]

Here are mine. Longer term things are in smaller font.

Bodywork : Bodywork width between the front and rear wheel centre lines must not exceed 1600mm (increased from 1400mm). This is to reduce the possibility of Formula Ford style interlocked wheel crashes.
No part of the bodywork in front of the rear wheel centre line or behind the rear wheel centre line, save for crash structures, may be made of carbon fibre or any material with a density lower than that of GRP. Cost cutting (they are the parts that get smashed first).
No part of the crash structures may be used as an aerodynamic device. Mirrors and their mountings cannot be used as aerodynamic devices. As road relevancy issues.
Junk the adjustable front wings for cost reasons, developed or not they cost lots of money to build.

Weight : The minimum weight is 640kg including driver - needed due to the increase in weight of other parts. Minimum weight for driver + equipment + weighted vest to stop KERS disadvantages. No ballast on the driver may be stored anywhere other than the weighted vest.

Engines : Engines may not exceed 825 horsepower at the flywheel at any point. Gimmick technologies are only permitted if they are featured on at least 8% of a manufacturer's road cars or 75 cars per year, which ever is larger. Gimmick technologies include VVT, more than one turbocharger, hemispherical pistons and similar - encouragement of fuel economy development. One fuel supplier - keep the no refuelling rule.
Six race engines, but customer engine teams get replacements for dud engines with no penalty. World Manufacturer's Championship points drop of 5 points rather than a 10 place grid penalty for the driver. Only broken engines may be replaced before time. There will be a fuel economy bonus system for manufacturers.
All engine suppliers must agree to supply engine to non manufacturer backed teams for a fixed price per year - cost cutting for privateer teams.

ECU and data logging : All ECU software must be open source and released under the GNU General Public Licence to enforce the TC/LC/ ban. Any system that allows the power characteristics of the engine (such as adjustable turbo pressures, fuel maps, launch maps) to be changed whilst the driver is in the car is prohibited - exceptions are the pit lane speed limiter and the rev limiter, which can only be adjusted once every two minutes. The telemetry system will be provided by one standard contractor to FIA specification. All recorded telemetry will be made available live to all teams and the press for aid of spectators.

Transmission : No composites to cut costs, they aren't road relevant either.
Suspension : Metal members for the same reasons.

Wheels : Make them control to get rid of the blasted dustbin lids.

Cockpit : Sporting changes to stop taller drivers being disadvantaged - an F1 car should be adjustable to seat a dummy between 1.86 metres tall (90th percentile human male height at 21 years old) and 1.55m (10th percentile human female height at 21 years old) within the rules and a reasonable driving position within 40 minutes.

Display of cars : After scrutineering, all cars will be placed in a place where representatives of other teams may take photographs and measurements of all parts of the cars with the engine covers and other removable bodywork on and off. This information may be used. Only parts that passed thursday scrutineering and were displayed in this manner may be raced during the meeting.

Sporting regulations cost control : There will be no direct budget cap, but current regulatory trends will continue. If a direct budget cap is needed, it will be a cap on the costs of chassis development only. Engine development, PR, driver salaries and others will not count. Any eventual cap would be calculated as 90% of an equal share of the Bernie money minus the fixed engine price cap.

Personell limit : Limitation of 35 team car personell at the race, not including drivers, 1 tyre guy supplied by Bridgestone, 3 engine supplier guys and 2 telemetry specialists. A limited number of bona fide guests/WAGs/family members will be permitted as long as they don't work on the cars. Corporate hospitality is not included in this cap, and teams will be able to opt-in to a single supplier providing a badged service for those teams.

Tyres : No more two types of tyre rule. Seven sets of dry tyres per weekend (down from seventeen), 4 sets of inters and 4 sets of full wets - as proposed by Martin Brundle, they really don't need to ship that many around the world.