Am I Right That Dallara...

Post here all non technical related topics about Formula One. This includes race results, discussions, testing analysis etc. TV coverage and other personal questions should be in Off topic chat.
ESPImperium
ESPImperium
64
Joined: 06 Apr 2008, 00:08
Location: Glasgow, Scotland

Am I Right That Dallara...

Post

...Will have cars or chassis built by them in pretty much all formula next year, with exeption to Formula 2 and A1GP.

When was the last time that happened when a manufacturer had a car in the majority of all top class formula.

They will have a car in theese formula:

Formula 1 - Campos Meta-Cosworth
GP2 - All
GP3 - All
Indy Car/IRL/CHap Car
World Series by Renault
Formula 3
ALMS

Could this be a record???

scarbs
scarbs
393
Joined: 08 Oct 2003, 09:47
Location: Hertfordshire, UK

Re: Am I Right That Dallara...

Post

I'm sure the british manufacturers have that sort of history; Lola, March, Reynard

User avatar
Pandamasque
17
Joined: 09 Nov 2009, 17:28
Location: Kyiv, Ukraine

Re: Am I Right That Dallara...

Post

ALMS?

wesley123
wesley123
204
Joined: 23 Feb 2008, 17:55

Re: Am I Right That Dallara...

Post

Pandamasque wrote:ALMS?
yep, they have something driving there, i only forgot what.
"Bite my shiny metal ass" - Bender

dumrick
dumrick
0
Joined: 19 Jan 2004, 13:36
Location: Portugal

Re: Am I Right That Dallara...

Post

The Audi chassis are manufactured by Dallara. So, the statement isn't true, but close.

wesley123
wesley123
204
Joined: 23 Feb 2008, 17:55

Re: Am I Right That Dallara...

Post

im sure they got something else there.
"Bite my shiny metal ass" - Bender

User avatar
Scuderia_Russ
0
Joined: 17 Jan 2004, 22:24
Location: Motorsport Valley, England.

Re: Am I Right That Dallara...

Post

Their F3 cars are excellent. Very well thought out. I don't think I've worked on any other. Given half a chance I think the F1 car will have some success.
"Whether you think you can or can't, either way you are right."
-Henry Ford-

ESPImperium
ESPImperium
64
Joined: 06 Apr 2008, 00:08
Location: Glasgow, Scotland

Re: Am I Right That Dallara...

Post

The Dallara web site says it does the Oreca sports cars, so there-fore ALMS.

http://www.dallara.it/

And i do class consultancy as well, as they have had some involvement in the car.

dumrick
dumrick
0
Joined: 19 Jan 2004, 13:36
Location: Portugal

Re: Am I Right That Dallara...

Post

ESPImperium wrote:The Dallara web site says it does the Oreca sports cars, so there-fore ALMS.

http://www.dallara.it/

And i do class consultancy as well, as they have had some involvement in the car.
So the site reads:
Dallara has a great record of success in sportscar design and manufacture, having been responsible for some of the most notable cars produced in the last 2 decades. These have included the Lancia Group C cars, The Ferrari 333, the Toyota GT1 Le Mans Car, chassis consultancy on the all conquering Audi R8 and most recently the development of the latest generation of car for the Oreca/Chrysler team.

The Oreca achieved a 4th place finish in the 2001 24 Hours of Le Mans, outperforming many of the higher funded factory cars. In the USA, the car was also raced by the Doran Racing Team, who won the 24 Hours of Daytona in February 2003.
That would be this car. Apparently, the Audi they were involved in was only the R8, so it seems they have no chassis produced currently for the ACO series.

Also according to the site, they are doing currently IRL,GP2, World Series 3.5, Indy Lights, F3 and Grand-Am. It kind of depends on which are considered "top class formulas", from the top of my head they are not involved in FNippon, Master, Superleague or Auto GP (previously F3000 Euro).

Impressive as it is, the fact is it mainly stresses their ability to win tenders for single-make formulas. Currently, only in F3 they run against other makes and, even there, virtually everyone uses Dallaras. Sure, that means that their F3's are very good, but also that every other chassis supplier faces a difficult market, where established teams already know the Dallara by heart (even some having already established analitical models for it), are used to work on it and have developed it (furthermore, it is easier for teams to "police" what their competitors are doing and taking ideas when the guy on the next garage has the same chassis as you), making it almost impossible for anyone else to sell F3's.

So far, their F1 chassis were never brilliant (their best F1 was made 21 years ago), so let's see how the Campos car will turn out.

xpensive
xpensive
214
Joined: 22 Nov 2008, 18:06
Location: Somewhere in Scandinavia

Re: Am I Right That Dallara...

Post

It was a while, but Dallara competed with their own car in F1 from 88 to 92 as "Scuderia Italia", financed by Beppe Lucchini.
Last edited by xpensive on 25 Nov 2009, 10:47, edited 1 time in total.
"I spent most of my money on wine and women...I wasted the rest"

User avatar
tarzoon
0
Joined: 17 May 2006, 19:53
Location: White and blue football club

Re: Am I Right That Dallara...

Post

Sorry guys, but since you mentioned Dallara, I had to go back to his first creation. As soon as I get the lottery numbers right, this is it for me [-o< [-o<

http://carclassic.com/stock.asp?Ref=EF50&Lang=en

Going back to topic, these guys are all over. They did F1 cars in the past, the Dallara-Judd. You can buy one, if you wish:

http://www.racecarwarehouse.co.uk/car_details.php?id=33

Richard
Richard
Moderator
Joined: 15 Apr 2009, 14:41
Location: UK

Re: Am I Right That Dallara...

Post

http://carclassic.com/full_image.asp?St ... eID=167682

I see they have a grab handle for the passenger on the transmission tunnel!

User avatar
tarzoon
0
Joined: 17 May 2006, 19:53
Location: White and blue football club

Re: Am I Right That Dallara...

Post

richard_leeds wrote:http://carclassic.com/full_image.asp?St ... eID=167682

I see they have a grab handle for the passenger on the transmission tunnel!
Thoughtful and considerate :)

xpensive
xpensive
214
Joined: 22 Nov 2008, 18:06
Location: Somewhere in Scandinavia

Re: Am I Right That Dallara...

Post

It's for stiring the gasoline, morons!
"I spent most of my money on wine and women...I wasted the rest"

SZ
SZ
0
Joined: 21 May 2007, 11:29

Re: Am I Right That Dallara...

Post

Last time Dallara worked in F1 was a collaboration with Midland (04?) for which Dallara's chassis never hit the track. But that's recent work.

Consider also that it's very likely that not all of Dallara's consultation work is publicly disclosed.

Dallara himself didn't design the Miura, Gandini did. Dallara did the P400; the rolling chassis that, with Gandini's coachwork (and a bunch of other engineering to make it a finished car) became the Miura. There are quite a number of Italian supercars of the period for which Dallara contributed chassis engineering - including the Espada, and the De Tomaso Pantera (wasn't there also a De Tomaso/Williams F1/F2 project he had a hand in?)