REM Isotropic Superfinished Crankshaft?

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REM Isotropic Superfinished Crankshaft?

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I am a tractor pulling engine builder in the United States and an F1 nut. I have many conflicting anwser regarding REM Isotrpoic Superfinishing. I do know F1 crankshafts are utilizing this process, but what I would like to know is what media, chemical and process time are being used? I am trying to obtain the same finish on Diesel tractor pulling crankshafts. If any member has any information on this subject, It would greatly be appriciated!

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Here's a shop in Oregon, Give them a call...

http://movingmediasolutions.com/
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Anybody know how much of their claims are from the surface finish and how much from the increased clearance?

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The only instance where the clearance may increase would be a gear set. No?

On a crankshaft the bearing clearance is set by the builder. In the valve train there is either the predetermined lash setting or constant contact in a hydraulic system.

How does this compare in practice to dry film lubricants?
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Ted68 wrote:The only instance where the clearance may increase would be a gear set. No?

On a crankshaft the bearing clearance is set by the builder. In the valve train there is either the predetermined lash setting or constant contact in a hydraulic system.

How does this compare in practice to dry film lubricants?
In theory gears could also be cut to maintain the same tooth clearance.
It depends on the accuracy of the machinery, which is fine of course at the top level but difficult for ordinary machine shops.
I am unsure also on the availability of shell bearings of the required over sizes in the limited quantities. Very costly and not a big enough improvement in most applications. Of course at the top end a good machine shop could machine accurately enough to bring the journal size to accept available sizes.
In my experience dry film lubricants are only of use for assembly and light load use. For a big V8,the main problem I remember is the large volume in the oil system of the engine that results in semi dry bearings unless proper attention is given to high volume supply at start up as well as during running at high power output. To many bits wizzing round in a big eight to gain much from slightly more efficient bearings. Of course it does depend on the level of modification and tune the engine is up to. Years ago I used to use Vandevell shells in lead indium and close up the clearence by half a thou so as to hold oil better. The reverse on big piston couple of thou extra on the fit with teflon buttons on the skirts and as few rings as possible and non on the skirts. Had some demon perfect circle rings at one time. O ringed head fit of course, upping compression or supercharging takes the power way up on those agricultural yank motors and a high nitro mix plays havoc with those rubbish standard head gaskets.

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rushman3208,

A reduced surface roughness value on your crank journals will not likely benefit your diesel tractor pull engine. Superfinished journal surfaces help in two respects. First, they experience less wear under start-up conditions when there are low speeds and marginal lubrication present at the crank journal surfaces. Second, ISF helps with fatigue life if there are very high tensile stresses at the surfaces of your crank's rod and main journals. Neither of these should be a concern with your particular application.

As for bearing clearances, these are established based on the cooling oil flow requirements of the journal bearing shells. The only benefit to reducing bearing clearances below the factory limits is that the oil pump flow requirements will be slightly less. But the downside is that there will be less oil cooling at the bearing shells, and they will likely overheat and fail in fatigue if the engine power is increased.

The dimensional difference between a normal crank journal surface and one that has been ISF'd is about 0.000005 inch.

Good luck.
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Would anyone know of any company that would offer this process "REM ISF" in my area?
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