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Supercar firms focus on carbon-fiber composites
European Plastics News staff
Posted 4 October 2010 10:48 am GMT
European carmakers including Lamborghini, Ferrari, Bentley and McLaren made carbon-fibre composites the standard for high-end “supercars”.
Now those same companies are taking carbon fibre even further, creating new ways to process it that will reduce the amount of time needed to mould the composite, and push it even further into structural parts.

Automobili Lamborghini made its new technology the centrepiece of its Sesto Elemento concept car introduced 30 September at the Paris Motor Show. The company uses carbon fibre for the passenger cell, the front and rear-end structures, suspension components, the interior, all exterior panels, suspension components and the propeller shaft. Even the tailpipe is made from a carbon and glass-ceramic composite.

The new thrust, said Stephan Winkelmann, president and CEO of Lamborghini, is part of an effort to reduce weight significantly, pushing performance even further than its 570-horsepower engine can do on its own.

“The Sesto Elemento shows how the future of the super sports car can look,” Winkelmann said. “Extreme lightweight engineering, combined with extreme performance, results in extreme driving fun.

“It is our abilities in carbon-fibre technology that have facilitated such a forward-thinking concept.”

And Lamborghini is not alone in taking carbon fibre further. During the Society of Plastics Engineers’ 2010 automotive composites conference in Troy on 15 and 16 September, engineers from Lamborghini were joined by engineers from Bentley Motors and McLaren Automotive in talking about new production techniques for carbon fibre.

Bentley has added cobalt to its carbon fibre to make it magnetic and is using magnets to automate the layup process, which speeds production and cuts costs. UK-based McLaren has been focusing on liquid-resin infusion.

BMW of Munich has developed its own carbon-fibre processing technique that it will use on its future Megacity Vehicle electric car.

Lamborghini — which has been working with Boeing engineers at its Advanced Composite Structures Laboratory in the US as well as running its own Advanced Composite Research Center in Lamborghini’s home town of Italy — is focused on advanced compression moulding using short carbon fibers in a low-pressure injection mold, said Paolo Feraboli, director of the structural carbon-fibre research group. Lamborghini also has signed a development agreement for carbon fiber with golf-club maker Callaway Golf to expand the technology further.

The process, which Lamborghini calls “forged composite”, is far faster than traditional hand lay-up prepreg and autoclave processing, he said. That system could produce a maximum of four passenger cells — called a monocoque — per week, which is too slow even for a low-volume producer.

Lamborghini considered vacuum-assisted resin transfer moulding, similar to the process used for yachts and other marine structures, but it had problems with variable thickness on mould lines.

Traditional RTM provided consistent thickness and a controlled shape, but requires an expensive machine and large and expensive tooling, and it would be difficult to achieve large parts like the monocoque and the front and rear structural cells. ( Lamborghini calls these cells the “cofango,” combining the Italian words “cofano” or hood, and “parafango” or fender.)

Using an “RTM light” method with low pressures, vacuum assist and carbon tooling still will require the investment in injection presses — it has more flexibility in tooling than traditional RTM while still speeding up production, Feraboli said.

Lamborghini’s experiment using compression moulding with a carbon-fibre sheet moulded compound produced a structural suspension part that was 30% lighter than an aluminum part, and its three-minute cycle time beat both traditional carbon-fibre and aluminum processing, he said.

While the Sesto Elemento is a technology study car, Winkelmann said it is a clear indication of where Lamborghini will take carbon fibre.

“Systemic lightweight engineering is crucial for future super sports cars,” he said in introducing the car in Paris. “We will apply this technological advantage right across our model range.”

Its high-end competitors will be on the same track.

Bentley, based in Crewe, the UK, has focused on ways to speed the hand layup of carbon-fiber parts, said Antony Dodworth, principal research manager with Bentley Materials Technology.

“We need to automate,” he said. “We cannot afford to continue with prepreg processes as it is.”

The process, called “directed carbon-fiber pre-forming,” adds a very small amount of cobalt to the carbon fibre. The company can then robotically shoot a fine stream of carbon fiber into a magnetized mold at a rate of 6 kilograms per minute.

“The robot can achieve that delivery all day, every day,” he said.

Bentley compared its automated system to a bumper system for a race car that takes a day and a half with hand labour, Dodworth said. Its new process completed the layup in 20 minutes.

The company already has used the process in a structural carbon-fiber spare wheel well on its Mulsanne sedan.
After a longer period of stagnation it is clear that big European players like BMW, VW group and also McLaren are making very serious efforts to automate manufacturing CFC structural and body parts.
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Its interesting to note that is not just the Europeans....Toyota/Lexus's reason for long delay when launching the LF-A was the design and construction of the production line for the car. From some of the publicity material you can see that the car is build less like a Carbon "tub" and more like a Carbon "uni-body".

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Anyone have any additional information on Forged Composite? Is it as simple as injection molding resin with fibers mixed into the fluid? If it's as strong or stronger than a traditional lay-up, this would revolutionize the industry. Whats the catch?

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slimjim8201 wrote:Anyone have any additional information on Forged Composite? Is it as simple as injection molding resin with fibers mixed into the fluid? If it's as strong or stronger than a traditional lay-up, this would revolutionize the industry. Whats the catch?
Short fibres would tend to result in a weaker and heavier component compared to one with a continuous fibre mat. A decent comparison would be the use of chopped strand mat in GRP components. (PS. I'm not saying the process is necessarily similar, just comparing fibre styles)

It will however make production a lot simpler and cheaper, which is important on the volumes that Lamborghini produce!

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not sure if this is exactly the process they are going to use, but some infomations on other applications can be found here:

http://www.carbone-forge.com/anglais/avantage_angl.html

http://www.duc-helices.com/anglais/moyeux.htm
Callaway Golf wrote:
WHAT IS FORGED COMPOSITE?

A game changing new clubhead material developed in collaboration with researchers from two internationally recognized universities and supercar icon Lamborghini. The proprietary forging process concentrates over 10 million turbostratic carbon fibers in every cubic inch to create a material that is lighter, stronger than titanium. The precision of the Forged Composite tooling also gives Callaway engineers complete control over wall thickness and surface geometry. That means each Forged Composite part is optimized down to one thousandth of an inch, reducing weight to the absolute minimum. We've even been able to incorporate new features that were impossible to manufacture before Forged Composite. The result is an exceptionally lightweight head with optimal mass distributions that delivers longer drives and uncompromised forgiveness. Revolutionize your game with the power of Forged Composite.

Turbostratic Carbon Fiber on top of a human hair

What does turbostratic mean?
Turbostratic describes the atomic structure of the high strength carbon fibers used in Forged Composite. Sheets of carbon atoms are intertwined and aligned with the length of the fiber to provide much higher strength than typical graphite fibers.
some info´s about the Lambo
http://allworldcars.com/wordpress/?p=24507

same related news about the composite manufacturers gearing up for the demand of the automotive industry

http://www.compositesworld.com/news/car ... ply-chains

High-Volume Preforming for Automotive Application
http://www.compositesworld.com/articles ... pplication
http://allworldcars.com/wordpress/?p=24507
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I tried to stop by the Lambo lab on my way out of the Univ today to get some pictures for you all, but they had already shut the doors. I'll try again this week, but they can be picky about who they let in!

One of the earlier papers to come out of the lab has a bit of info about the basics of 'forged carbon':
Composites: Applied Science and Manufacturing wrote:Recent composite technology research and development efforts have focused on new out-of-autoclave material forms, and automated processes that can markedly increase production efficiencies. The interest of the aerospace community for short fiber composites, such as Sheet Molding Compounds (SMC), dates back to the 1960s and the pioneering work of Halpin, Pagano and Kardos [1], [2] and [3].

In recent years, airframe manufacturers have been proposing the use of high-performance discontinuous systems that are suitable for compression molding of primary structures. Commercial applications for this type of material form already exist, although using different resin systems and fiber types and lengths, under various manufacturers and trade names (e.g. Quantum Lytex 4149 and Hexcel HexMC®). The Boeing 787 Dreamliner for example makes use of AS4/8552 HexMC® for the window frames [4] and [5], as well as other primary and secondary structural elements.

These mats are processed by consolidating sheets of randomly-distributed “chips”, up to 2.0 in. long and 0.33 in. wide (50.8 mm × 8.4 mm) in the form of a roll. These chips are obtained from pristine aerospace-grade unidirectional (UD) carbon fiber/epoxy prepreg, which is first slit longitudinally and then chopped. Although the raw material cost associated with these chopped systems is higher than the UD prepreg from which they are derived, their suitability to be molded in complex geometries with lower manufacturing costs and at higher rates can justify their adoption to reduce overall part acquisition costs.
If you have access to a journal database, the abstract and pertinent information can be found:

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/ar ... dab1273721

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Oh, I almost forgot, for those looking into the strength of these parts, Feraboli's paper on the strength of discontinuous fibers is hosted on our website for anyone:

http://www.aa.washington.edu/research/s ... bs/208.pdf

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iquark wrote:These mats are processed by consolidating sheets of randomly-distributed “chips”, up to 2.0 in. long and 0.33 in. wide (50.8 mm × 8.4 mm) in the form of a roll. These chips are obtained from pristine aerospace-grade unidirectional (UD) carbon fiber/epoxy prepreg, which is first slit longitudinally and then chopped.
This sounds like a modern version of OSB (Oriented Strand Board) used in construction.
from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oriented_strand_board
is an engineered wood product formed by layering strands (flakes) of wood in specific orientations. In appearance, it may have a rough and variegated surface with the individual strips (around 2.5 by 15 cm (approx. 1 in by 6 in) each) lying unevenly across each other.
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Saw this & had to share. Amazingly impressive machinery for carbon fibre weaving.

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