2021 Russian Grand Prix - Sochi, Sep 24 - 26

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FW17 wrote:
22 Sep 2021, 14:41
If race does not happen, Max takes the penalty for engine, does back of grid penalty get carried over for the race after?

Can they take 2 engine penalties these days to create a pool?
No, if they take 2 engines only the 2nd one can be used going forward.

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My forecast sees rain especially on Saturday. So we might see an interesting Friday if teams fear Q might be cancelled and Fridays positions will form the grid.

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Roman wrote:
22 Sep 2021, 15:40
My forecast sees rain especially on Saturday. So we might see an interesting Friday if teams fear Q might be cancelled and Fridays positions will form the grid.
The forecast for Sunday is a little chance of a little bit of rain, so they probably will postpone qualifying to Sunday morning.
It happend in Japan 2004 and 2010, Australia 2013 and USA 2015 (Q3 was ultimately cancelled, so Q2’s results were used).
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I saw the prediction of 3 stops, but to be honest, how? I just see this if there is changing conditions, not about tyres data.
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MV8 wrote:
22 Sep 2021, 18:26
I saw the prediction of 3 stops, but to be honest, how? I just see this if there is changing conditions, not about tyres data.
Ignore it, its a load of rubbish.
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Wouter wrote:
21 Sep 2021, 20:08
F1 fans before Spa 2021: Please let it rain please!
F1 fans after Spa 2021: Please no more rain please! 🤣



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Wouter wrote:
22 Sep 2021, 21:09
Let everyone take a new engine then they can all start at the back haha

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Viper2789 wrote:
22 Sep 2021, 23:51
Wouter wrote:
22 Sep 2021, 21:09
Let everyone take a new engine then they can all start at the back haha
wouldn't be a bad idea concidering the rain is coming in and an interesting race for certain.
Hamilton would do smart to NOT take a new engine, if he manages to snatch pole or anything like that.
there's the risk of sufficient nutralizations that verstappen gets close though.

that said,
what IF 5 teams all get new engines. what is the grid penalty rule - they start from the back, but, how?
the team that breaks the seal first gets to the back first? so any car's seal broken afterwards, will then get to the back?

so let's say Leclerc goes first, then Verstappen, then Sainz, then Vettel.
Does that mean Leclerc starts p17, Max p18, sainz p19, vettel p20?

in that case, qually doesnt matter right?

or if all 4 drivers take an engine penalty and start from the back,
will the grid spots be decided in order of qualification?

so if vettel quallies before leclerc, he'll end up p17 and leclerc p18 for example?
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Manoah2u wrote:
23 Sep 2021, 01:18
Viper2789 wrote:
22 Sep 2021, 23:51
Wouter wrote:
22 Sep 2021, 21:09
Let everyone take a new engine then they can all start at the back haha
wouldn't be a bad idea concidering the rain is coming in and an interesting race for certain.
Hamilton would do smart to NOT take a new engine, if he manages to snatch pole or anything like that.
there's the risk of sufficient nutralizations that verstappen gets close though.

that said,
what IF 5 teams all get new engines. what is the grid penalty rule - they start from the back, but, how?
the team that breaks the seal first gets to the back first? so any car's seal broken afterwards, will then get to the back?

so let's say Leclerc goes first, then Verstappen, then Sainz, then Vettel.
Does that mean Leclerc starts p17, Max p18, sainz p19, vettel p20?

in that case, qually doesnt matter right?

or if all 4 drivers take an engine penalty and start from the back,
will the grid spots be decided in order of qualification?

so if vettel quallies before leclerc, he'll end up p17 and leclerc p18 for example?
Max has a 3 place grid drop aswell

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Manoah2u wrote:
23 Sep 2021, 01:18

so let's say Leclerc goes first, then Verstappen, then Sainz, then Vettel.
Does that mean Leclerc starts p17, Max p18, sainz p19, vettel p20?

in that case, qually doesnt matter right?

or if all 4 drivers take an engine penalty and start from the back,
will the grid spots be decided in order of qualification?

so if vettel quallies before leclerc, he'll end up p17 and leclerc p18 for example?
Once the change the engine, the qualifying position is void. If several drivers do it, then it's done as your first example with drivers lining up in the order they changed engines.
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As far as I know, the order of the starting position is after the registration at the FIA, that you are going to use a new PU.
If a team registers a new PU/components on Monday, Tuesday's registration will be placed behind it on the starting grid and
Wednesday's registration will be followed by Tuesday's registration.
In this case, all further registrations will start behind Charles on the starting grid. At least that's how it always was.
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Wouter wrote:
23 Sep 2021, 08:47
As far as I know, the order of the starting position is after the registration at the FIA, that you are going to use a new PU.
If a team registers a new PU/components on Monday, Tuesday's registration will be placed behind it on the starting grid and
Wednesday's registration will be followed by Tuesday's registration.
In this case, all further registrations will start behind Charles on the starting grid. At least that's how it always was.
Until recently, the starting order determined the departure of the car in the first training session, I remember how Lando stood for 20 minutes at a traffic light so that Alonso was the first among those who had a new engine. And if I'm not mistaken, after that, made a change according to which they will be placed the way they finished in qualifying.

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_cerber1 wrote:
23 Sep 2021, 09:37
Wouter wrote:
23 Sep 2021, 08:47
As far as I know, the order of the starting position is after the registration at the FIA, that you are going to use a new PU.
If a team registers a new PU/components on Monday, Tuesday's registration will be placed behind it on the starting grid and
Wednesday's registration will be followed by Tuesday's registration.
In this case, all further registrations will start behind Charles on the starting grid. At least that's how it always was.
Until recently, the starting order determined the departure of the car in the first training session, I remember how Lando stood for 20 minutes at a traffic light so that Alonso was the first among those who had a new engine. And if I'm not mistaken, after that, made a change according to which they will be placed the way they finished in qualifying.
I can remember something about that in FP1. So what I wrote is no longer correct?
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Wouter wrote:
23 Sep 2021, 09:48
I can remember something about that in FP1. So what I wrote is no longer correct?
Maybe