Looks great. Hope they can prepare a good suit for wdc race too
aah that makes a lot of sense, i thought Turkey was instead of Singapore, but it's instead of Japan, that makes a whole lot of sense, thanks!Wouter wrote: ↑07 Oct 2021, 09:17This weekend was supposed to be the Japanese GP and it has been cancelled.Manoah2u wrote: ↑06 Oct 2021, 21:57Manoah2u wrote: ↑06 Oct 2021, 13:47
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So, does this mean that this is going to be the final update from Honda for the car? Or perhaps will RB come with it's final update for Turkey, and from there on it's all about settings and already produced wings and the team fully focuses on 2022? And this is why it's saying 'origato' / thanks on the wing?
RB has therefore chosen this weekend to use this tribute to thank all Honda people who work for and in F1
for their excellent work and excellent cooperation.
All those questions you ask have absolutely nothing to do with this tribute.
i suggest you go and watch both the 2017 and 2018 season and see when and where things went wrong, and compare it to what RBR is doing now.Wouter wrote: ↑07 Oct 2021, 10:54WC points from 2014 on. Mercedes was never under threat by Ferrari.Manoah2u wrote: ↑07 Oct 2021, 03:42people ignoring and forget Ferrari (including Vettel) the past few seasons and suddenly RBR is 'the' challenger. sure, every bit of 'excitement' is down to RedBull.....
yes sure they're definately competitive and pushing,
but let's not act like 2021 is the first moment ever since 2014 that Mercedes is under threat.
RBR is the first who are a threat to Mercedes this year.
Vettel167 278 212 317 320 240 33 35*Hamilton384 381 380 363 408 413 347 246,5*Max0 49 204 168 249 278 214 244,5*
You make some good points. The statements Wouter make are true if looking at 2014 to 2016. Not so much beyond that.Manoah2u wrote: ↑07 Oct 2021, 21:22i suggest you go and watch both the 2017 and 2018 season and see when and where things went wrong, and compare it to what RBR is doing now.Wouter wrote: ↑07 Oct 2021, 10:54WC points from 2014 on. Mercedes was never under threat by Ferrari.Manoah2u wrote: ↑07 Oct 2021, 03:42
people ignoring and forget Ferrari (including Vettel) the past few seasons and suddenly RBR is 'the' challenger. sure, every bit of 'excitement' is down to RedBull.....
yes sure they're definately competitive and pushing,
but let's not act like 2021 is the first moment ever since 2014 that Mercedes is under threat.
RBR is the first who are a threat to Mercedes this year.
Vettel167 278 212 317 320 240 33 35*Hamilton384 381 380 363 408 413 347 246,5*Max0 49 204 168 249 278 214 244,5*
And, not the very least - yes, Ferrari was supposedly 'caught cheating'. The very details of that never were publicised, it only was ever suggested, and things were dealt with in secret, which is offcourse very suspicious.
However, let's get 1 fact straight: Ferrari was never DSQ and neither their or their driver's points. In other words, in the end, it was accepted. However, they were forced to change things and it seriously impacted their performance, and not the least the internal coup of Binotto definately did not help.
RBR - through Honda - has just as much made the same 'leap' as Ferrari did, the only thing right now is that - untill now- Honda/RBR has not been under investigation on suspicions of cheating like Ferrari a few seasons back.
If for some reason however FIA declares Honda's updates or engine not conform the regulations and they need to change something, and that immediately hampers their performance - then they can end up JUST LIKE Ferrari.
I am not saying that they're cheating, i'm not saying they're not. I'm not saying Ferrari was, i'm not saying they weren't.
The truth remains, if Mercedes and/or other teams find something sus, complain to the FIA, and FIA decides that there's something to be done, things can turn around pretty hard.
Also, RBR's performance is greatly exegerated by Mercedes' pain in the regulation changes for 2021 regarding the cars rake, which obviously hurt Mercedes more than other teams.
Apply the same to 2017/2018 - the rake punishment, and then remove the FIA scrutiny and subsequent engine alterations of Ferrari's engine, and above all, hand Binotto and Arrivabene a Moretti and don't have Ferrari hotshots force LeClerc there, and you will have EXACTLY the same situation that we're finding ourselves in right now with RB.
RBR still has to finish beating Merc, at the moment Merc is quite ahead in the WCC, and Hamilton IS ahead of Max.
Much can still happen.
Either way, long story short: Yes, RBR is doing great and it's good to see competition. But let's leave the pink glasses for the my little pony club.
It is a translation mistake. If one doesn’t understand long Covid is already English, than one tries to translate to English and think it should be lung Covid.adrianjordan wrote: ↑08 Oct 2021, 04:55Also please stop making up medical conditions... "lung Covid" is not a thing. Long Covid IS.
I agree with you that Mercedes isn't just about the engine but surely you can see how much Red Bull has been hampered by the Renault engine in most of the hybrid era? I am sure Red Bull would have won atleast one WCC/WDC if they had a Mercedes PU since 2014. You really can't compare 2021 to those earlier years in that regard.Manoah2u wrote: ↑07 Oct 2021, 23:46Exactly. And it's all fun and games that Max himself claimed that if there was a Mercedes in their engine room, they'd be champs - Williams had that and look what happened. Aston/Racing Point. Mclaren has the Merc and is now pretty strong, but still just falling short.
In other words, it's really not just the engine. Mercedes thus has done something great with the chassis too, and from 2014-2020 things were 'fine' - but for 2021, suddenly, there has been a rule change (as suggested by some delibarately to improve championship battle) which hampers low-rake cars like the Mercedes more than any other (read: Mercedes is hurt, RBR is fine). SO, RBR is not doing anything more spectacular than Ferrari has been doing.
And as i've mentioned elsewhere too, there's still this minor thing that plagues my mind. However you put it, Hamilton is far, far more fatigued this year than he has EVER, EVER been.
He almost tumbled off the podium a few races ago and Ocon noticed and obviously got a bit worried even. Hamilton has been grasping for air, panting on multiple race finishes.
Compare to how physically he was 'normally' in the past, then one would say something has changed. It's not that unlikely that he is suffering from post-covid 'lungcovid' conditions, or perhaps something else. It might actually be part of the reason for difficult contract negotiations. Whatever the case, it's sufficiently defendable that Lewis is suffering this season from worse physical athletic state than he has compared to the previous seasons.
That would put him a bit in a 'handicapped' situation, and paired to the above, again, this would also 'exegerate' RedBull's achievements.
Am i glad RBR is challenging Mercedes? Again, yes, definately.
Still, there are 7 GP's to go, and that means at least 175 winning points to be made. Both can make 3 wins and the deciding factor then goes down not just to whom wins the last race,
but also about the tally of fastest lap points.
BTW, is there another sprint race left or are we done?
Given how excellent the rest of Manoah's English is and that they have also used the term long Covid in the past, I'm afraid I don't buy that explanation.NL_Fer wrote: ↑08 Oct 2021, 09:03It is a translation mistake. If one doesn’t understand long Covid is already English, than one tries to translate to English and think it should be lung Covid.adrianjordan wrote: ↑08 Oct 2021, 04:55Also please stop making up medical conditions... "lung Covid" is not a thing. Long Covid IS.
long = lung in Dutch