They all do it, and then they all gaslight us through the media. Wasn't it Adrian Newey who said Ferrari would try to copy stuff he did, and when they couldn't make it work because they didn't understand it, they would lobby (and successfully) to ban / make it illegal?JordanMugen wrote: ↑23 Oct 2021, 15:35All very well, but we can't have Mercedes having an unfair advantage -- Mercedes are the very first to protest unfair Red Bull advantages like the flexible rear wing endplates or automated pitstops after all!Hoffman900 wrote: ↑23 Oct 2021, 15:28Everything is a system. Potentially Mercedes proves that improves initial braking performance or stability at speed. The wholly incidental or contrived argument is easy to muck up enough to make it almost unenforceable.
People are pointing to a video of the RedBull at Austria being "linear". Looking linear and being linear are two different things, and without the data, it's just a guess. Furthermore, horses for courses, it's tuneable and without data at the same track, it's pointless.
Well it's the hot topic in the pit paddock at the United States Grand Prix, if of little relevance to the Grand Prix itself.
What's your point? Red Bull will seek a clarification about this type of mechanism if they feel it doesn't necessarily comply with the regulations... Then it might be banned which will be job done.Hoffman900 wrote: ↑23 Oct 2021, 15:37They all do it, and then they all gaslight us through the media.
It's always been this way and they all do it.
dans79 wrote: ↑23 Oct 2021, 03:32what your missing is that most of us that have been following F1 for a while, know this has been going on for almost ever.AeroDynamic wrote: ↑23 Oct 2021, 02:43So just to confirm, Gary Anderson doesn’t know what he’s talking about either?zibby43 wrote: ↑22 Oct 2021, 20:59
I dunno, the Ferrari looks pretty good at it in Turkey:
https://twitter.com/mickeyymedia/status ... 21827?s=21
https://the-race.com/formula-1/gary-and ... ion-trick/
Also Gary is talking out of his butt here.https://www.fia.com/sites/default/files ... -06-28.pdfIt’s potentially a massive advantage and I doubt Red Bull can copy it because it runs the high rake on its car. So for it to get its car close enough to the ground to make its diffuser stall would require a complete change in its aerodynamic philosophy, which isn’t going to happen.
The Mercedes suspension system seemed to arrive in line with its developments for Silverstone. That upgrade made the front corners of the underfloor work harder and that means there’s less airflow actually going to the diffuser so suddenly you can actually use that less airflow to get to the critical point of making the diffuser stall just that bit earlier.
see page 128
inboard rear suspension components had a freeze date of mid 2020, and they cost two tokens to change.
thats means 2 things.
1) If red bull already spent their tokens, then they can't make a change even if they could technically figure out how to stall the diffuser..
2) merc has either been running this suspension since mid 2020, or has quietly changed it during this season and no one caught it.
MCS are apparently doing it better or more extremely, which is what I remained open to believing despite people firing this down and talking down from some sort of high horse.Altho this is now old tech, as I pointed out Merc did exhibit more extreme collapsing in Turkey. Running nearly flat in fast sections, while riding back up to their higher rake settings in the slow/mid speed sections
It is F1Technical after all, not F1Rumors.JordanMugen wrote: ↑23 Oct 2021, 15:37Well it's the hot topic in the pit paddock at the United States Grand Prix, if of little relevance to the Grand Prix itself.
Only if they don't shoot their own feet in the process.What's your point? Red Bull will seek a clarification about this type of mechanism if they feel it doesn't necessarily comply with the regulations... Then it might be banned which will be job done.
Absolutely. I wonder if they figured it out too late though, and curious to see if RB can respond.AeroDynamic wrote: ↑23 Oct 2021, 15:42Either way, must salute the men and women in that MCS team. To turn what had become a weakness under this years regs (low rake) into a strength, is impressive.
That's my prediction too. Merc have had the superior car all season, I don't understand why they keep bottling it this season.
Interesting beliefgrubschumi13 wrote: ↑23 Oct 2021, 16:45That's my prediction too. Merc have had the superior car all season, I don't understand why they keep bottling it this season.
No more interesting than some of the others expressed here.AeroDynamic wrote: ↑23 Oct 2021, 17:56Interesting beliefgrubschumi13 wrote: ↑23 Oct 2021, 16:45That's my prediction too. Merc have had the superior car all season, I don't understand why they keep bottling it this season.
I don't think it was sandbaging, just really high track temps.
as usual, the reason Mercedes (almost) always wins FP1 by a good margin is the same why Verstappen (almost) always wins FP3: a different approach. The truth is somewhere in the middle, and usually results in a close Qualifying. Can't see why it shouldn't be the same today.
Qualifying will tell all, but all is Boding well for RB. The have got the set up in a good place, no understeer bemoaned so far. We just might see the red bull in optimum place this weekend. Which is exactly what I want to see, both cars at their optimal, and see how much ground MCS really made on the RB since Silverstone.InsaneX_Badger wrote: ↑23 Oct 2021, 20:30Looks like red bull are 2-3 tenths ahead. Let's hope Merc can be close enough to trouble in qualifying.