Okay answering to myself, the max speed on speed traps was 2-12 km/h larger for Hamilton depending on the speed trap. Don't know how to find what it was on average and what it was on free air at same fuel loads.
Okay answering to myself, the max speed on speed traps was 2-12 km/h larger for Hamilton depending on the speed trap. Don't know how to find what it was on average and what it was on free air at same fuel loads.
RedBull were not quicker in S2! The only time it was 3 tenths quicker was when Lewis was within 1 second of Max. In qualy when all things were equal, Mercedes were 2 tenths faster than RedBull in sector 2.ringo wrote: ↑15 Nov 2021, 15:13Bottas engines were used as real world testing in the free practice sessions as well as in the race.
They got a better read on the damage cycle profile.
But again i think people are overstating the advantage.
Hamilton did not fly by the Redbulls like they were not there. He had to work hard to pass Perez and also to pass Max.
If we recall Max in COTA who was stuck on hamilton's gearbox all day before the undercut, it is possible to have a massive speed advantage with the right setup.
Here at brazil we were seeing 3 tenths advantage to redbull alone in sector 2. So it made sense that the other 2 sectors would have been less top speed for them.
Anyhow i await the video of Max's onboard and i hope Toto is mercilless and asks for FIA to look at it. I know yhe FIA did not investigate at all and that may be their loop hole. But i think their bring the sport into disrepute for failing their duties at a Grand Prix.
But as Toto says the gloves are off. If he can grt Max DQ with 2 black flags he should. Or even a 5 second penalty we will take that.
If they are allowed to protest with new evidence (Max's onboard) and it goes in their favour, Max would likely recieve a 5 second penalty, this would promote Bottas to P2. So they have 3 points to gain against Max, and a 6 point swing in the WCCBig Tea wrote: ↑15 Nov 2021, 15:44No point at all protesting as no resulting action will favour Merc or Lewis. Worst case would be points on Ves licence, which is meaningless by it's self.
Nothing they now do would be of benefit except a grid drop next race, and we all know that will not happen as the race is over now and they cannot penalise the incident as it was not investigated and RBR given notification
Marty_Y wrote: ↑15 Nov 2021, 18:00https://www.racefans.net/2021/11/15/cou ... ton-clash/
Could Mercedes use missing Verstappen video to demand review of Hamilton clash?
2021 Sao Paulo Grand PrixPosted on
15th November 2021, 14:04 | Written by Keith Collantine
Comments made by FIA Formula 1 race director Michael Masi seemed to offer Mercedes a glimmer of hope. Masi confirmed the stewards did not have access to a potentially significant piece of evidence at the time they decided not to investigate the incident. The stewards could only view the same television pictures broadcast on the world feed.
It is baffling isn't it?dans79 wrote: ↑15 Nov 2021, 18:12Marty_Y wrote: ↑15 Nov 2021, 18:00https://www.racefans.net/2021/11/15/cou ... ton-clash/
Could Mercedes use missing Verstappen video to demand review of Hamilton clash?
2021 Sao Paulo Grand PrixPosted on
15th November 2021, 14:04 | Written by Keith Collantine
This is pure amerature hour, how can the stewards not have access to every possible camera, it's 2021, not 1991!
Comments made by FIA Formula 1 race director Michael Masi seemed to offer Mercedes a glimmer of hope. Masi confirmed the stewards did not have access to a potentially significant piece of evidence at the time they decided not to investigate the incident. The stewards could only view the same television pictures broadcast on the world feed.
I didn't know this, I assumed that more was transmitted but just selectively broadcasted.Although multiple onboard camera views are captured from cars, only one is transmitted live at a time. Verstappen’s view switched from forward-facing to rearward-facing just before Hamilton pulled out to overtake him.
Therefore the forward-facing onboard video from Verstappen’s car was not broadcast and was not seen by the stewards at the time they decided against investigating the incident. This is significant because, assuming the video later emerges, it potentially opens the door for Mercedes demand they review the incident
That wording is kind of ambiguous, are they trying to imply that only one feed is being transmitted from the car, or are the talking about world broadcast!Marty_Y wrote: ↑15 Nov 2021, 18:24It is baffling isn't it?
I didn't know this, I assumed that more was transmitted but just selectively broadcasted.Although multiple onboard camera views are captured from cars, only one is transmitted live at a time. Verstappen’s view switched from forward-facing to rearward-facing just before Hamilton pulled out to overtake him.
Therefore the forward-facing onboard video from Verstappen’s car was not broadcast and was not seen by the stewards at the time they decided against investigating the incident. This is significant because, assuming the video later emerges, it potentially opens the door for Mercedes demand they review the incident
It brings the process into question, how can a judgement be made without all the relevant information?
I assumed they meant that only one feed is being transmitted live from the car at any one time, which I wasn't aware of.dans79 wrote: ↑15 Nov 2021, 18:31That wording is kind of ambiguous, are they trying to imply that only one feed is being transmitted from the car, or are the talking about world broadcast!Marty_Y wrote: ↑15 Nov 2021, 18:24It is baffling isn't it?
I didn't know this, I assumed that more was transmitted but just selectively broadcasted.Although multiple onboard camera views are captured from cars, only one is transmitted live at a time. Verstappen’s view switched from forward-facing to rearward-facing just before Hamilton pulled out to overtake him.
Therefore the forward-facing onboard video from Verstappen’s car was not broadcast and was not seen by the stewards at the time they decided against investigating the incident. This is significant because, assuming the video later emerges, it potentially opens the door for Mercedes demand they review the incident
It brings the process into question, how can a judgement be made without all the relevant information?
Are they not legally bound to notify the team and driver of proposed action within a set time (2 hrs after race end??) and without this no action can be taken as part of the race, and only actions on 'part of race' can count toward penalties?NathanOlder wrote: ↑15 Nov 2021, 17:42If they are allowed to protest with new evidence (Max's onboard) and it goes in their favour, Max would likely recieve a 5 second penalty, this would promote Bottas to P2. So they have 3 points to gain against Max, and a 6 point swing in the WCCBig Tea wrote: ↑15 Nov 2021, 15:44No point at all protesting as no resulting action will favour Merc or Lewis. Worst case would be points on Ves licence, which is meaningless by it's self.
Nothing they now do would be of benefit except a grid drop next race, and we all know that will not happen as the race is over now and they cannot penalise the incident as it was not investigated and RBR given notification
Not sure on this one to be honest. Especially with crucial evidence not being available.Big Tea wrote: ↑15 Nov 2021, 18:41Are they not legally bound to notify the team and driver of proposed action within a set time (2 hrs after race end??) and without this no action can be taken as part of the race, and only actions on 'part of race' can count toward penalties?NathanOlder wrote: ↑15 Nov 2021, 17:42If they are allowed to protest with new evidence (Max's onboard) and it goes in their favour, Max would likely recieve a 5 second penalty, this would promote Bottas to P2. So they have 3 points to gain against Max, and a 6 point swing in the WCCBig Tea wrote: ↑15 Nov 2021, 15:44No point at all protesting as no resulting action will favour Merc or Lewis. Worst case would be points on Ves licence, which is meaningless by it's self.
Nothing they now do would be of benefit except a grid drop next race, and we all know that will not happen as the race is over now and they cannot penalise the incident as it was not investigated and RBR given notification
I may be wrong here, I usually am.
The bandwidth isn’t unlimited, and all mobile, so not that strange to cut some corners (do the camera switching on the car instead of feeding all the cams).NathanOlder wrote: ↑15 Nov 2021, 18:44Not sure on this one to be honest. Especially with crucial evidence not being available.Big Tea wrote: ↑15 Nov 2021, 18:41Are they not legally bound to notify the team and driver of proposed action within a set time (2 hrs after race end??) and without this no action can be taken as part of the race, and only actions on 'part of race' can count toward penalties?NathanOlder wrote: ↑15 Nov 2021, 17:42
If they are allowed to protest with new evidence (Max's onboard) and it goes in their favour, Max would likely recieve a 5 second penalty, this would promote Bottas to P2. So they have 3 points to gain against Max, and a 6 point swing in the WCC
I may be wrong here, I usually am.
don't ask me why, i did not downvote you, so don't accuse me ok? thanks
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