Ferrari Midfield Times Arrived!!!

[warmandog]

From my formula 1 turbo era times until now. I’ve never been so convinced about the Ferraris status at pecking order side
After seeing the two first races from this shaking season. There are a couple of things that comes to mind. The actual showing from Ferrari its just concreting the awaited but no desired Ferrari downfall. The glory years has gone. And now, we as tifossis just have the chance for a on of those season to live.

The Dream team era has gone completely. The names of schumi, brawn, tood, byrne has gone with no return. From those glory years we wake up and dream became into nightmare, from one day to another we have no strategistics, we have no pushing drivers, we have no good cars developers, our car design sucks big time, also the lock is not with us anymore.
2009 season: the Ferrari Fate: the showed performance from brawn GP has just confirmed the pecking order for this season. But if if we as observer and not just a Ferrari fan analyze the real status, the future is nothing more than a nightmare.

Aside from the Brawn GP Team ( with longest developing period, the diffuser saga and other excuses that we use, just to justify the pathetic Ferraris status ) lets just use couples of examples, Williams, Toyota, BMW, all this teams have the same developing frame time as Ferrari team, and the reality is that those teams are ahead of us.

This Malaysian gp makes me just a bitter savoir in my mouth. Kimi just overtook Alonso when Renault driver did a mistake. Weber overtook Alonso easier than kimi. The amount of time lost by kimi at the back of Alonso pushed the stupid pit visit to pit and the harakiri was for sure that extreme wet tyres swap. HOW COME!!! Just HOW COME.

Even this race was just twilight. The results from that are that we are just a midfield team at current level.

See these facts.

Our Kers doesn’t work. (We could pass a heaviest Alonso in a racing trim)
Our Car design doesn’t work (all other could pass the heaviest Alonso staying on his tail without turbulence, I notice kimi losing control at many times when chasing)
Our Car is killing the tyres: it’s the same tyres for everybody so no Bridgestone conspiracy saga from this, just our car is nothing more that a crap.
Our Drivers are just this, drivers. Compared to others we lack.
Our mechanics... oh my god, our technics. A immediate change is demanded!!!

The rest is just keep seeing a good for the spectacle season.
Congrats max, Congrats Bernie. You have change gold into a dog crap.!!!!!!!

Regards

Alex C.

[Kester]

Did you think the same last year, because the team was the same one.

Ferrari are just having a bit of a hard time starting the new season, the car shows pace but they've had some bad luck. McLaren haven't faired much better.

Just wait till the circus returns to Europe to see how Ferrari stand against everyone else.

[sunny1304]

if you are a ferrari suppoter ....then keep ur fingure crossed.......things will be changed for sure.

for example.....if you look at the williams........the same team made crap like fw28, fw29 and fw30. but now they have made fw31 which is responding well.

so ferrari havent forgot winning but they are lacking everywhere at the moment specially when they are on track their strategy is very poor so far. But lets hope they will come back strongly.

[timbo]

Aside from the Brawn GP Team ( with longest developing period, the diffuser saga and other excuses that we use, just to justify the pathetic Ferraris status ) lets just use couples of examples, Williams, Toyota, BMW, all this teams have the same developing frame time as Ferrari team, and the reality is that those teams are ahead of us.

That is not true. Williams and Toyota have much debated diffusers and BMW switched to 2009 much earlier than Ferrari, with Kubica blaming that decision in light of his title perspectives.

Congrats max, Congrats Bernie. You have change gold into a dog crap.!!!!!!!

Geez, LMFBO. It seems whenever anything goes wrong with anybody those guys are the ones to blame. You know, I'm not a fan of them too, but in light of comments like this I start to fell for that guys

[FLC]

I think this is a bit early to come to so many conclusions. Yeah, things don't look so good right now, but its still possible to recover.

I don't know how you came to these conclusions about Ferrari's KERS, especially when compared to Alonso, who also used KERS. From what I understand so far it is easier to defend with KERS than to attack. Others might correct me on this. The reliability isn't great tho., I'll give you that.

As for the car design, I suggest you read Ogamimusashi's comments in the other thread about the OWG. Apparently a few other drivers were having trouble with balance.

Kimi and Massa are not really to blame for the mistakes done so far. They don't really have the car to deliver the results in. I guess we could mention reliability again...

The gamble with Kimi was too much. He should've went on the intermediates if at all. Using the wets so early on was not a calculated risk.

All in all, Ferrari are making some stupid mistakes in Domenicali's shift, pit errors, strategy errors and so on, but all is not lost. You should see the future bright, even if the colors of the present are pretty dark. As for luck, they shouldn't count on it now, i hear it goes with the best... Ferrari have made it through worse times and they should be able to do it again. Another good thing to look at is that the sport is better (excluding the political affairs) and that is more important than any one team.

[warmandog]

As i says. there's a diference between being a team fan or a motrosposts fan.
for sure i love ferrari.
but trying to get excuses after excuses didnt resolved the issue.
facts are that ferrari is during a down hill at this point. last year i had the same feeling. but now is that i have the gusts to write it.
keep waiting for that change. for this 2009. about the kers..its simply.. mark weber ( non kers ) overtook to alonso's ( kers ). kimi at same level lost 30 seconds behind alonso ( a heaviest car ) and only managed to overpass cause of alonso error. that is what i called facts.
ahh and about massa.. he couldnt pass hamilton. and its F60 a beter contender than this year merc. ( as far as we know ).
what ferrari will have to do is just to assign a real task to schumacher and bring him duriing weekends testing as the'res no way other testing would be allowed but race calendar.

long live Ferrari.
once again welldone max... welldone bernie

regards

[Jersey Tom]

Oh come on now...

There are TWO races completed. Yes, Brawn has the best car at the start of the season. There's a hell of a lot of development that goes on through the season, and Ferrari has alot of experience and support to pull from.

They (and any other team) can hoist themselves up.

[nudger]

even with the new regulations, when it comes to making a fast F1 car, wind tunnel time is everything.
ferrari and mclaren have some justified excuse it their under developed cars. Id say BMW are looking pretty bad, considering how many more wind tunnel hours they will have had.
i dont think its anywhere near over....and i cant see either brawn driver fairing too well when the time comes they dont have a much faster car. i can see ferrari winning again this year, but yeah it wont be for a few races yet...not on pure pace anyways

[donskar]

warmandog, take a very deep breath, hold it for a count of 10, then let it out very slowly. Do this three times.

Or have a nice tall glass of your favorite alcoholic beverage. (I recommend a good American bourbo, buttot each his own.)

The team you are mourning is the very same one that won the manufacturers championship last year and came within one point and few seconds of also winning the drivers championship. The same team. WITHOUT Schumacher, Brawn Bryne, etc, etc.

I'm not happy either, but I'm not going to have "Cut here" tattooed to my wrists. (Yet.)

[mike]

See these "facts"
Our Kers doesn’t work. (We could pass a heaviest Alonso in a racing trim)
Our Car design doesn’t work (all other could pass the heaviest Alonso staying on his tail without turbulence, I notice kimi losing control at many times when chasing)
Our Car is killing the tyres: it’s the same tyres for everybody so no Bridgestone conspiracy saga from this, just our car is nothing more that a crap.
Our Drivers are just this, drivers. Compared to others we lack.
Our mechanics... oh my god, our technics. A immediate change is demanded!!!

i fail to see all of the above as facts since
fact:
-Ferrari's KERS do work, they can use it.
-Ferrari's design do work, they are the clear fastest KERS car.
-Alonso is a great defender(even against schumacher)and he uses he KERS to defend really well
-Alonso chew up his tyres, so by the time Weber comes along he was unable to defend as well
-Ferraris are killing the tyre because they have KERS, having extra 82hp for 6s in the straight hurts, try driving a V10 F1 car with 06 spec tyres
-Drivers? two of the Best of all time as well as having great sportsmenship,proof? since non of them are around when senna was racing, they both gave schumacher a serious go
-mechanics? they think IT WILL START POURING and IT DID, just after they change to inters!!!!!, its a gamble, just like nurburgring 07 only spyker had the right strategy, so all the other mechanics are all crap and maybe you should take their job?

if you cant separate fact from opinion i suggest you should watch WWE(cos thats a real sport)
you are the same people who reads a headline and writes the form guide for the next 3 years,

facts are that Ferrari is during a down hill at this point. last year i had the same feeling. but now is that i have the gusts to write it.

Ferrari won more races(not to mention 2 blow outs and the canadian crash) score more points and not to mention the FASTEST LAPS. so all of the sudden Ferrari was slow last year? (Kimi and Massa must be great drivers)

solutions?
GET THE KERS off the bloody car~!!!!!
-no more killing tyres
-no more bad balance
-no more bad balance during braking
-take advantage of the balls of your great drivers to overtake
kimi suzuka 05 nurburgring 05 Fuji 07 for both
massa hungary 08 and more

[marcosp]

They should change from Ferrari to Fa Errare... I dont know if it makes sense in italian, but they're really screwing things up constantly. I guess ferrari fans (and drivers, sponsors etc) have to wait some years until baldissieri and domenicali learn their jobs.

[warmandog]

See these "facts"
Our Kers doesn’t work. (We could pass a heaviest Alonso in a racing trim)
Our Car design doesn’t work (all other could pass the heaviest Alonso staying on his tail without turbulence, I notice kimi losing control at many times when chasing)
Our Car is killing the tyres: it’s the same tyres for everybody so no Bridgestone conspiracy saga from this, just our car is nothing more that a crap.
Our Drivers are just this, drivers. Compared to others we lack.
Our mechanics... oh my god, our technics. A immediate change is demanded!!!

i fail to see all of the above as facts since
fact:
-Ferrari's KERS do work, they can use it.
-Ferrari's design do work, they are the clear fastest KERS car.
-Alonso is a great defender(even against schumacher)and he uses he KERS to defend really well
-Alonso chew up his tyres, so by the time Weber comes along he was unable to defend as well
-Ferraris are killing the tyre because they have KERS, having extra 82hp for 6s in the straight hurts, try driving a V10 F1 car with 06 spec tyres
-Drivers? two of the Best of all time as well as having great sportsmenship,proof? since non of them are around when senna was racing, they both gave schumacher a serious go
-mechanics? they think IT WILL START POURING and IT DID, just after they change to inters!!!!!, its a gamble, just like nurburgring 07 only spyker had the right strategy, so all the other mechanics are all crap and maybe you should take their job?

if you cant separate fact from opinion i suggest you should watch WWE(cos thats a real sport)
you are the same people who reads a headline and writes the form guide for the next 3 years,

facts are that Ferrari is during a down hill at this point. last year i had the same feeling. but now is that i have the gusts to write it.

Ferrari won more races(not to mention 2 blow outs and the canadian crash) score more points and not to mention the FASTEST LAPS. so all of the sudden Ferrari was slow last year? (Kimi and Massa must be great drivers)

solutions?
GET THE KERS off the bloody car~!!!!!
-no more killing tyres
-no more bad balance
-no more bad balance during braking
-take advantage of the balls of your great drivers to overtake
kimi suzuka 05 nurburgring 05 Fuji 07 for both
massa hungary 08 and more

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Well Amigo Mike... if you get hurted cause of my writes. So sorry cause of that. First of I don’t follow WWE. , that is just pure spectacle. Formula 1 is motorsports.
I double think before to post this as I knew a lot of mind blinded tifossi would jump into bash me and taking it personal with me.
Not recognizing Ferrari is on the way down form at formula one its like says that earth shape is square. So death is when body and soul gets separated but considering the way you response that’s not death but only that soul took a long not returning travel from body. But we can’t call it death.
How nanny excuses do we need to accept it? 4 more races, the all season?
I’m expressing that Ferrari had its bad circle in this very moment. What do you need to call a team a midfield team?
If you have 3 teams performing better than you, so where would you place it? Is not in the mid field pack?
So please let just stop thinking that every time somebody explain something that is not what you want to hear about Ferrari, yours just start killing that people.
So to be a Ferrari fan we have to be blind minded and if you argue then you're just nothing more than vague moron.
I hope things would change... but in the meantime Ferrari clearly it’s nothing more than a midfield team at current season.

Kindly regards

Alex C

[mike]

well i do think that ferrari is now the midfield team,i just dont agree with your "facts". however i do question the existence of KERS in f1 since it doesnt bring you an advantage then why bother with it!!!
i hope you can at least read before you think, if you can indeed think at all
all you have are claims, with not even logic to back it up
btw KERS stands for Kinetic Energy Recovery System

[virtuso13]

I really don't see them winning the drivers or constructor's championship this year.
Yes their glory years are over . But i think i will see this team bouncing back .
Like in the past Ferrari is lacking innovation .

Quote - Behold the bitten apple , the power of the tools ,
But all the knowledge in the world , is of no use
to fools

[waynes]