2022 Aerodynamic Regulations Thread

[mclaren111]

Takes away the mistery of team's developments which is such a nice aspect of F1...

F1 is becoming Indycar...

WTF are you talking about?

This is ridiculous... Comes from Indycar... And the new rules are so restrictive that F1 is becoming to much like Indycar...

[toraabe]

If someone are able to come up with a aero device that is sealing the floor like sliding skirts... Then... But I doubt

[CMSMJ1]

Takes away the mistery of team's developments which is such a nice aspect of F1...

F1 is becoming Indycar...

WTF are you talking about?

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This is ridiculous... Comes from Indycar... And the new rules are so restrictive that F1 is becoming to much like Indycar...

There are far too many "should" and not enough "shall" for that to really be implemented in that way, IMO. The FIA won't really have resource to review and check every panel, flick, winglet or flap - so I would suggest this becomes a photo opportunity at the first rounds and is then dropped - unworkable and not desirable to the 'average non-technical' fan.

Anyways...the cars are different..the boxes allowing for design and development are smaller (which is a shame) but until there is a spec chassis and no development of it, it is not true to call it Indycar, surely?

[mclaren111]

WTF are you talking about?

https://preview.redd.it/eaq4mjopvn981.j ... 999aa2ec74


This is ridiculous... Comes from Indycar... And the new rules are so restrictive that F1 is becoming to much like Indycar...

There are far too many "should" and not enough "shall" for that to really be implemented in that way, IMO. The FIA won't really have resource to review and check every panel, flick, winglet or flap - so I would suggest this becomes a photo opportunity at the first rounds and is then dropped - unworkable and not desirable to the 'average non-technical' fan.

Anyways...the cars are different..the boxes allowing for design and development are smaller (which is a shame) but until there is a spec chassis and no development of it, it is not true to call it Indycar, surely?

Didn't call it Indycar... I said it's becoming Like Indycar too quickly...

[WaikeCU]

Is it me or do I have the feeling these 2022 mocks and renders of the cars makes me think these cars behave like F2 cars, but with a lot more power behind it?

[FW17]

FE cars are also GE cars




Much closer to F1 2022 than Indycar which really does not have a inlet section

[jjn9128]

FE cars are also GE cars




Much closer to F1 2022 than Indycar which really does not have a inlet section

I’d say formula Es closer to indycar and f2 than the f1 tunnels. It’s flat before the diffuser.

[jjn9128]

Curious if the design principal of these cars leads to more instances of debris being thrown at a trailing driver.

wouldn't think so. There was more little bits with the bargeboards and pre-2019 front wings. The "floor edge wings" may not last the full race though.

Do the regs preclude these floor edge things becoming as developed as the toothy and organic bargeboards we've got used to? Have they always to present a smooth edge?

I think the first few cars we see dangling on cranes or the spare floors in the back of the garage will furnish considerable excitement in these pages. Surely we'll see some interesting design.

Yeah the first driver to bin their car and get a crane lift will not be popular

The edge wings are very prescribed to not be “toothy”.

[mzso]

I'm surprised that we haven't talked about the real elephant in the aerodynamic design room...

Machine learning, iterative design software that "explores" everything legal within the minimum and maximum dimensions.

I wish the teams shared more about this stuff.

I think what you're thinking of are called evolutionary algorithms. But they certainly don't explore "everything", because that's impossible, it would be practically infinite.

By definition. Having a minimum and a maximum sets boundaries that are finite.

Just because the number is big does not mean that it goes on forever.

With enough computation, just reducing the possible upgrade paths is worth its weight in gold.

Even within a boundary it's practically infinite. Just think of many places a nook, cranny or nodule can have a notable effect.
It's mere combinatorical explosion. A chessboard only has 32 pieces and 64 squares, yet it's impossible to calculate the best move.
You can bring in a variety of heuristics, but that's the opposite of exploring "everything".

[mzso]

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I guess development will be even more focused on the underside, to hide details. I doubt they'll display the cars on their sides.
Also they might start using camouflage as a habit on sensitive parts. Something like vantablack with irregular streaks bright structurally colored white.

Takes away the mistery of team's developments which is such a nice aspect of F1...

F1 is becoming Indycar...

This is your response to everything. From sponsor stickers to engine, to tv broadcasts.

I don't believe teams will actually tell anything of significance with the show. Anything they do say will be worse than a motorsport.com comment section level engineering.

But it would be visible wouldn't it? At least the parts that are not under the car. The competition wouldn't need explanation.

[mzso]

Curious if the design principal of these cars leads to more instances of debris being thrown at a trailing driver.

wouldn't think so. There was more little bits with the bargeboards and pre-2019 front wings. The "floor edge wings" may not last the full race though.

By the way, was the (micron range) thin foil to hold together composite rubble forgotten by now?

Do you think damage from side-impacts (which has gotten common) would be terminal now? (Meaning the car would be seconds slower because of damage to sensitive parts.)

I think the first few cars we see dangling on cranes or the spare floors in the back of the garage will furnish considerable excitement in these pages. Surely we'll see some interesting design.

Well, the cranes might help (unless camo painting comes into play) , outside of that I doubt we'll have much chance to see. I think the teams will go out of their way to cover hide this stuff now.

[mzso]

If someone are able to come up with a aero device that is sealing the floor like sliding skirts... Then... But I doubt

"Then" what?

My expectation is that everyone will focus a lot of effort on improving the seal by airflow and vortices, in the lack of a mechanical barrier.
I wonder though if that will bring back much of the danger of the sealed floor. When a transient disruption of airflow can cause a huge drop in downforce.

Is it me or do I have the feeling these 2022 mocks and renders of the cars makes me think these cars behave like F2 cars, but with a lot more power behind it?

Why? F2 is not underside-downforce oriented, as far as I know. (Though with time it will surely start mimicing F1.)

[CMSMJ1]

Why? F2 is not underside-downforce oriented, as far as I know. (Though with time it will surely start mimicing F1.)

F2 is a GE formula for sure. No idea how advanced, but just to look at them - they run a very flat rake and do have an enviable capacity to follow one another.

[mclaren111]

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I guess development will be even more focused on the underside, to hide details. I doubt they'll display the cars on their sides.
Also they might start using camouflage as a habit on sensitive parts. Something like vantablack with irregular streaks bright structurally colored white.

Takes away the mistery of team's developments which is such a nice aspect of F1...

F1 is becoming Indycar...

This is your response to everything. From sponsor stickers to engine, to tv broadcasts.

I don't believe teams will actually tell anything of significance with the show. Anything they do say will be worse than a motorsport.com comment section level engineering.

But it would be visible wouldn't it? At least the parts that are not under the car. The competition wouldn't need explanation.

Because it's true...

What do you mean by sponsor stickers ?

[mzso]

What do you mean by sponsor stickers ?

It's a part of everthing. If they'd announced some change relating to stickers, you'd be screaming "indycar".