Ferrari F1-75

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I know it's been a whole Page since i guys asked you to stay on Topic but please, discuss testing programmes... in the Team Thread.
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Mchamilton wrote:
18 Feb 2022, 15:28
214270 wrote:
18 Feb 2022, 14:13
It just looks draggy to me, like they’re gonna be a sitting duck on the straights?
Based on what?
He can see air. :lol:

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The man is not wrong. It does look draggy.

He didn't say it was draggy.
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JPower wrote:
18 Feb 2022, 15:39
Mchamilton wrote:
18 Feb 2022, 15:28
214270 wrote:
18 Feb 2022, 14:13
It just looks draggy to me, like they’re gonna be a sitting duck on the straights?
Based on what?
He can see air. :lol:
Air will stick to surfaces, more the surface, more is the parasitic drag.
Will be interesting to see if the terminal velocity of the cars without the extended sided will be higher, these cars will be a lot faster on the straights and slippery.

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JPower wrote:
18 Feb 2022, 15:39
Mchamilton wrote:
18 Feb 2022, 15:28
214270 wrote:
18 Feb 2022, 14:13
It just looks draggy to me, like they’re gonna be a sitting duck on the straights?
Based on what?
He can see air. :lol:
It's not too difficult to setup Schlieren imaging nowadays. You 3d print parts and it's easy to test them and see what the flow does. With some experience you can extrapolate and get a feel for what air is going to do. No magic involved, just a bunch of experience seeing things work first hand.
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godlameroso wrote:
18 Feb 2022, 15:53
JPower wrote:
18 Feb 2022, 15:39
Mchamilton wrote:
18 Feb 2022, 15:28


Based on what?
He can see air. :lol:
It's not too difficult to setup Schlieren imaging nowadays. You 3d print parts and it's easy to test them and see what the flow does. With some experience you can extrapolate and get a feel for what air is going to do. No magic involved, just a bunch of experience seeing things work first hand.
And you think he did all of that?

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JPower wrote:
18 Feb 2022, 16:01
godlameroso wrote:
18 Feb 2022, 15:53
JPower wrote:
18 Feb 2022, 15:39

He can see air. :lol:
It's not too difficult to setup Schlieren imaging nowadays. You 3d print parts and it's easy to test them and see what the flow does. With some experience you can extrapolate and get a feel for what air is going to do. No magic involved, just a bunch of experience seeing things work first hand.
And you think he did all of that?
No, I'm just saying that it's an option, if anyone is curious. What's the difference between CFD or using smoke in a wind tunnel, or using Schlieren imaging? At the end of the day these are just tools to visualize what you can't normally see, but you can feel. Most of us don't move fast enough to feel the wind so we have to visualize it. Some of use have convertibles though 8) .
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I think all of this multi-directional curvature to the sidepod will create too many losses and sacrifice too much clean air to simply vent cooling air high up.

Unless it's doing something magical to feed the rear performance of the car then I just don't get this approach.

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Amazing how different they look.. merc looks longer

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I wouldn't be using the Mercedes render for any comparison.
I suspect both are about as long as the new regulations allow.

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Henri wrote:
18 Feb 2022, 17:08

Amazing how different they look.. merc looks longer
The Merc on the render is very very different compared to the real car.

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That roll hoop inlet is tiny. Have to wonder what they saw in their data to go with the low cooling setup vs the centerline many of the other teams use.
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Henri wrote:
18 Feb 2022, 17:08

Amazing how different they look.. merc looks longer
F1 twitter account make a comparision with realf F1 Ferrari's car and the Mercedes render that is total different than real car :? :?

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Another sidepod angle from the presentation

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JPower wrote:
18 Feb 2022, 17:28
https://preview.redd.it/d9oue3jjzli81.j ... 5639191836

That roll hoop inlet is tiny. Have to wonder what they saw in their data to go with the low cooling setup vs the centerline many of the other teams use.
the answer is higher downforce and more efficient car. Thats why Ferrari have small rollhop. They want more clean air to rearwing, to have more downforce. Cooling by centerline means more cooling is packed in centerline and rollhop is much bigger. Another reason the center of gravity is higher in center cooled cars. Cars have more weight higer up and that is not good for driveability in corners. On the other hand with center booling you kan have smaller sidepods and bigger undercat.