Alpine A522

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Blackout wrote:
22 Feb 2022, 23:56
So every team on the grid, except Alpine, has decided to pull the sidepods far forward and use them as bargeboards, except Alpine who said "I dont need that, and I'll keep normal sidepods. The tunnel entries can suck air and manage dirty wake alone."
Doesn't the Mercedes also have sidepods relatively far back?

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Aduj wrote:
23 Feb 2022, 00:55
Blackout wrote:
22 Feb 2022, 23:56
So every team on the grid, except Alpine, has decided to pull the sidepods far forward and use them as bargeboards, except Alpine who said "I dont need that, and I'll keep normal sidepods. The tunnel entries can suck air and manage dirty wake alone."
Doesn't the Mercedes also have sidepods relatively far back?
In the render, yes. In the real car not particularly, and certainly nowhere near alpine's position:

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Not far back relative to cockpit or roll hoop. 5-10cm maybe. Hard to tell with the angle.

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Jambier wrote:
23 Feb 2022, 00:47
Blackout wrote:
22 Feb 2022, 23:56
So every team on the grid, except Alpine, has decided to pull the sidepods far forward and use them as bargeboards, except Alpine who said "I dont need that, and I'll keep normal sidepods. The tunnel entries can suck air and manage dirty wake alone."
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Because they created bargeboards with the floor
So did everyone else?
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Blackout wrote:
22 Feb 2022, 23:56
So every team on the grid, except Alpine, has decided to pull the sidepods far forward and use them as bargeboards, except Alpine who said "I dont need that, and I'll keep normal sidepods. The tunnel entries can suck air and manage dirty wake alone."
It's an unusual choice but the 'proof of the pudding' will be on the race track. Pat Fry generally designs very good cars IMO, and this will be the first truly new Alpine for quite some time (since the RS19) won't it?

AR3-GP wrote:
23 Feb 2022, 02:43
Jambier wrote:
23 Feb 2022, 00:47
Because they created bargeboards with the floor
So did everyone else?
A lot of teams are running that outer strake quite far in, well inside the legality box. Whereas Alpine seem to be using it more as intended by the FOM car, so we'll see how that works. :)
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JPBD1990 wrote:
22 Feb 2022, 14:26
bucker wrote:
22 Feb 2022, 13:43
ojir19 wrote:
22 Feb 2022, 13:22
curious, as why Renault choose to "hide" the wastegate pipe (and probably other teams too)
https://i.imgur.com/92P9p4d.png

HAAS & Ferrari :
https://i.imgur.com/GjxKi7n.png
It's mandatory.
They mean that Renault, Mercedes’ and Honda all hid the waste gate pipe inside the main exhaust much earlier along the piping, where Ferrari just spat it out (presumably) at the very limit where the rules stipulate it has to be one pipe only
It's possible that if you know there is an exhaust tuning penalty for merging the turbine exit and the wastegate, then it doesn't matter where you merge so you might as well reduce the mass of the pipework by merging the WG early.
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Blackout wrote:
22 Feb 2022, 23:56
So every team on the grid, except Alpine, has decided to pull the sidepods far forward and use them as bargeboards, except Alpine who said "I dont need that, and I'll keep normal sidepods. The tunnel entries can suck air and manage dirty wake alone."
https://i.imgur.com/gf3pRlv.jpg

A different cooling/combustion ratio between the Alpine and Mercedes rollhoop intake : ) 
 
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Motorsport.com said that the A522's wheelbase was shorter than everyone else, less than the max was the term they used, and where likely at the minimum weight. The other teams will probably struggle to get there. Not sure how they know that.

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Split Turbo pics on the Alpine:

Vía @albertfabrega

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SmallSoldier wrote:
23 Feb 2022, 09:17
Split Turbo pics on the Alpine:

https://i.imgur.com/N1fkZMq.jpg
God I hope she’s powerful.. seems as though the engine is what the team are banking on…. The rest of the car looks conservative.. let’s hope it’s quick out there box today..
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SmallSoldier wrote:
23 Feb 2022, 09:17
Split Turbo pics on the Alpine:

https://i.imgur.com/N1fkZMq.jpg
can't really make out any turbo parts on this picture, the one thing with the cilinder-shape part sticking out looks like a turbo housing, but would be in the wrong direction i recon...

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PowerandtheGlory wrote:
23 Feb 2022, 09:21
SmallSoldier wrote:
23 Feb 2022, 09:17
Split Turbo pics on the Alpine:

https://i.imgur.com/N1fkZMq.jpg
God I hope she’s powerful.. seems as though the engine is what the team are banking on…. The rest of the car looks conservative.. let’s hope it’s quick out there box today..
Too early to tell which team is “conservative” since they are showing their early iterations at this stage… Alpine definitely is going with their own concept for 2022.

I’m hoping the reliability is there this season… Agree with the concept of bring as much as power as you, you can always make it reliable later (but you can’t make a reliable engine more powerful)… Hoping that it doesn’t give too many headaches this season

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PowerandtheGlory wrote:
23 Feb 2022, 09:21
SmallSoldier wrote:
23 Feb 2022, 09:17
Split Turbo pics on the Alpine:

https://i.imgur.com/N1fkZMq.jpg
God I hope she’s powerful.. seems as though the engine is what the team are banking on…. The rest of the car looks conservative.. let’s hope it’s quick out there box today..
That point we discussed last year with the a bit strange F1 rules in this regard. Usually there should be a sort of BOP between non split turbo and the split turbo as from the point of concept there is a 10% gain in turbo efficiency.
Therefore I was sure that Alpina AND Ferrari go this direction as well.
The issue is, that they only can go on par with Honda and Merc now. Still having a completely new engine.

I do not think they will be competitive from the start as they still need to learn to use this engine and cooling concept. If we look at the covers...they are quite large, while Merc is smaller and has certainly stretched it to the maximum heat management. In my point of view this is a transition year for them.
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Actually the RB seems to have a sismilar sidepod design (and AT), only that its sidepod inlets gave been extended forward. (so a big front undercut, no side undercut, wide cocke bottle, downwashy top)

Alpine can extend its inlets like this too.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FMRDIZ1XEAI ... me=900x900
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Blackout wrote:
23 Feb 2022, 10:12
Actually the RB seems to have a sismilar sidepod design, only that its sidepod inlets gave been extended forward. (so a big front undercut, no side undercut, wide cocke bottle, downwashy top)

Alpine can extend its inlets like this too.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FMRDIZ1XEAI ... me=900x900
If Alpine did extend forward it could have that much of an aggressive undercut.. seems the sidepod the most ready to adapt that design