Ferrari F1-75

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One of the live comments from todays testing at formula1.com mentioned that the Ferrari was porpoising more today than yesterday. I wonder if the open gills helps with the bounce, or is it's just different fuel loads today.

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more likely they started conservatively and today they tried more extreme ride height settings

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Leclerc setting some fast times on the C3's. I assume he's on lower fuel at this point though.

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motobaleno wrote:
24 Feb 2022, 18:05
more likely they started conservatively and today they tried more extreme ride height settings
Yes, they are exploring the setup windows.

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Oh dear lol floor will be in bits after a few laps of that

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Finally an actual video of it happening! I'm guessing teams will have to run the cars a tad higher to make sure it doesn't happen.

I agree with sentiments posted on the forum elsewhere, they should have not changed the suspension regs AND the aero regs.
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codetower wrote:
24 Feb 2022, 17:50
One of the live comments from todays testing at formula1.com mentioned that the Ferrari was porpoising more today than yesterday. I wonder if the open gills helps with the bounce, or is it's just different fuel loads today.
Different suspension/ride height setting most probably
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SiLo wrote:
24 Feb 2022, 19:06
Finally an actual video of it happening! I'm guessing teams will have to run the cars a tad higher to make sure it doesn't happen.

I agree with sentiments posted on the forum elsewhere, they should have not changed the suspension regs AND the aero regs.
Why did they remove hydraulic support in the first place?
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ryaan2904 wrote:
24 Feb 2022, 19:32
SiLo wrote:
24 Feb 2022, 19:06
Finally an actual video of it happening! I'm guessing teams will have to run the cars a tad higher to make sure it doesn't happen.

I agree with sentiments posted on the forum elsewhere, they should have not changed the suspension regs AND the aero regs.
Why did they remove hydraulic support in the first place?
No idea, someone might know. Probably scared teams might spend money developing them. Tbh I think they are fairly mature systems at this point so it was dumb to remove them.
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I'm starting to suspect the porpoising is due to their bow, both Aston and Ferrari have similar bows, with the fillet winglet on the sides.

Like the song goes, rock-a-by baby, on the tree top, when the bow breaks, the cradle will rock.

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I believe the vortex shed by that winglet is breaking up and it has a cascade effect downstream.

Other teams with more bluff areas there seem to deal with it better.
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SiLo wrote:
24 Feb 2022, 19:34
ryaan2904 wrote:
24 Feb 2022, 19:32
SiLo wrote:
24 Feb 2022, 19:06
Finally an actual video of it happening! I'm guessing teams will have to run the cars a tad higher to make sure it doesn't happen.

I agree with sentiments posted on the forum elsewhere, they should have not changed the suspension regs AND the aero regs.
Why did they remove hydraulic support in the first place?
No idea, someone might know. Probably scared teams might spend money developing them. Tbh I think they are fairly mature systems at this point so it was dumb to remove them.
Yeah, after this porpoising problem, I feel this was especially dumb by the fia. Initially I liked the removal, figured it would give more pure racing skill from the driver's side. But if the fia anticipated this, they should have left atleast some amount of suspension aid.
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godlameroso wrote:
24 Feb 2022, 19:35
I'm starting to suspect the porpoising is due to their bow, both Aston and Ferrari have similar bows, with the fillet winglet on the sides.

Like the song goes, rock-a-by baby, on the tree top, when the bow breaks, the cradle will rock.

https://i.imgur.com/f14vfXG.png

I believe the vortex shed by that winglet is breaking up and it has a cascade effect downstream.

Other teams with more bluff areas there seem to deal with it better.
Idk, I've been following closely and ferrari didn't seem to be having the problem yesterday and most of today. Only after lec made some suspension change did it become so apparent.
Also, Imo it's more to do with aero stall (floor) rather than some aero problem.
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ryaan2904 wrote:
24 Feb 2022, 19:43
godlameroso wrote:
24 Feb 2022, 19:35
I'm starting to suspect the porpoising is due to their bow, both Aston and Ferrari have similar bows, with the fillet winglet on the sides.

Like the song goes, rock-a-by baby, on the tree top, when the bow breaks, the cradle will rock.

https://i.imgur.com/f14vfXG.png

I believe the vortex shed by that winglet is breaking up and it has a cascade effect downstream.

Other teams with more bluff areas there seem to deal with it better.
Idk, I've been following closely and ferrari didn't seem to be having the problem yesterday and most of today. Only after lec made some suspension change did it become so apparent.
Also, Imo it's more to do with aero stall rather than some aero problem.
The plank area is still flat and can easily stall. If it does it will create turbulence and high pressure which has nowhere to go but the tunnels.
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