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Formula One's most successful team, Scuderia Ferrari have unveiled their brand-new machine, the F1-75 with which the Italian outfit's young driver pair of Charles Leclerc and Carlos Sainz will race in the sport's 73rd season.
He most certainly is, he knows well where Ferrari is but still doesn't know too well where the rest are. I don't see why he would say something that isn't true in this situation. If he had the certainty of a win he would say so, but that's not quite where it's at right now.
Do you know anything about the engine pecking order?ferrarifire wrote: ↑14 Mar 2022, 18:58Ferrari is on par with Redbull or a little less and does not have any advantage in hand. The next major update is planned for US Grand Prix ( but Ferrari is trying hard to bring it to their home race) which will provide significant lap time advantage over RB . Till then RB may have a slight edge over Ferrari.
I've read this too... just wondering if the issues with the floor go hand in hand with that. If you get porposing at lower engine modes, in higher engine modes (faster?) should make the problem even worst. Is that a correct assumption?shamyakovic wrote: ↑14 Mar 2022, 21:18I think ferrari have not showed their hands...according the news they ran their engine with very low power modes. I am guessing ferrari to be the faster out of the top 3ferrarifire wrote: ↑14 Mar 2022, 18:58Ferrari is on par with Redbull or a little less and does not have any advantage in hand. The next major update is planned for US Grand Prix ( but Ferrari is trying hard to bring it to their home race) which will provide significant lap time advantage over RB . Till then RB may have a slight edge over Ferrari.
The faster you go the more downforce will be generated and the more the car is pushed down to reduce the section of the venturi tunnels, and that causes porpoising. However the connection that the engine is turned down because of that seems a step too far.warpomex wrote: ↑15 Mar 2022, 06:46I've read this too... just wondering if the issues with the floor go hand in hand with that. If you get porposing at lower engine modes, in higher engine modes (faster?) should make the problem even worst. Is that a correct assumption?shamyakovic wrote: ↑14 Mar 2022, 21:18I think ferrari have not showed their hands...according the news they ran their engine with very low power modes. I am guessing ferrari to be the faster out of the top 3ferrarifire wrote: ↑14 Mar 2022, 18:58Ferrari is on par with Redbull or a little less and does not have any advantage in hand. The next major update is planned for US Grand Prix ( but Ferrari is trying hard to bring it to their home race) which will provide significant lap time advantage over RB . Till then RB may have a slight edge over Ferrari.
So in theory, could a team reduce porpoising by designing the venturi tunnels that it can eliminate or reduce choking the lower the car the drops on a straight? E.g. If the rear of the car drops first, the 'neck' (the smallest space in the tunnel) become 'larger' due to the way the profile is designed? In other words must the profile in front of tunnel mirror the rear part of the tunnel?dialtone wrote:The faster you go the more downforce will be generated and the more the car is pushed down to reduce the section of the venturi tunnels, and that causes porpoising. However the connection that the engine is turned down because of that seems a step too far.warpomex wrote: ↑15 Mar 2022, 06:46I've read this too... just wondering if the issues with the floor go hand in hand with that. If you get porposing at lower engine modes, in higher engine modes (faster?) should make the problem even worst. Is that a correct assumption?shamyakovic wrote: ↑14 Mar 2022, 21:18I think ferrari have not showed their hands...according the news they ran their engine with very low power modes. I am guessing ferrari to be the faster out of the top 3
You are aware of the fact that Ferrari was one of only two teams that solved porpoising extremely fast? And that they solved it much faster than Red Bull? The only team that had almost no problem at all with porpoising was McLaren, and Ferrari was the time to solve it very fast... Binotto knows exactly how good the F1-75 is. Saying they won't win yet is just politics. The F1-75 was the only car with an extremely stiff-suspension set-up. From the very first second in Barcelona. All teams followed, because the new aero needs that. This pretty much proves that Ferrari is ahead of all the others in terms of knowledge.dialtone wrote: ↑14 Mar 2022, 21:41If Binotto says they won’t win races yet I believe him. I think Ferrari is certainly in the top 3 and could be very close to Merc and RBR. Nobody ran their engine full beans and certainly Ferrari could have held more back, or it could be just a bit weaker.
They will win races this year but have to fully solve porpoising first and it seems only RB was able to. That RB18 seemed on a carpet at the end of the main straight in Bahrain in the last 30 minutes, so they found the right aerodynamic and mechanic compromise.
I think it will be a good year.
A new concept should have less developement potential than the the concept of micro-sidepods, a concept developed for many years? Makes sense doesn't it ?JPower wrote: ↑15 Mar 2022, 20:52I've heard from a few pundits that have said that the F1-75 won't have the development potential of the W13 or RB18 and I'm still wondering where this is coming from.
Is it because Binotto has decided not to bring any immediate upgrades like Mercedes and Red Bull? Seems like faulty reasoning to me.
Thunder wrote: ↑05 Feb 2022, 12:35https://i.imgur.com/jH6hF66.png
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Yeah I'm aware that's what has been said and highlighted by the press. I'm also aware that the ideal goal is to change how the floor behaves at a certain speeds to avoid having to carve holes in the sides to let air come through. I'm not trying to diss Ferrari, I've been a fan of their for 30 years, I would want nothing more than a Schumacher-style domination. I base my opinion on what Binotto said and on how stable RB18 was during that one bit of video during the last 30 minutes of the test. There's a lot of ifs for me still, if the engine is really good like it seems, if their porpoising control so far doesn't take too much out of the downforce of the car (until new floor arrives later in the season like Binotto said), if their tire management is great. I'm optimistic they are up there and likely to fight for wins, but no guarantee and I wouldn't be surprised if Merc and RB were slightly ahead or close come this weekend.Andi76 wrote: ↑15 Mar 2022, 20:42You are aware of the fact that Ferrari was one of only two teams that solved porpoising extremely fast? And that they solved it much faster than Red Bull? The only team that had almost no problem at all with porpoising was McLaren, and Ferrari was the time to solve it very fast... Binotto knows exactly how good the F1-75 is. Saying they won't win yet is just politics. The F1-75 was the only car with an extremely stiff-suspension set-up. From the very first second in Barcelona. All teams followed, because the new aero needs that. This pretty much proves that Ferrari is ahead of all the others in terms of knowledge.dialtone wrote: ↑14 Mar 2022, 21:41If Binotto says they won’t win races yet I believe him. I think Ferrari is certainly in the top 3 and could be very close to Merc and RBR. Nobody ran their engine full beans and certainly Ferrari could have held more back, or it could be just a bit weaker.
They will win races this year but have to fully solve porpoising first and it seems only RB was able to. That RB18 seemed on a carpet at the end of the main straight in Bahrain in the last 30 minutes, so they found the right aerodynamic and mechanic compromise.
I think it will be a good year.
Completely agree. New concepts always have large development potential. This is always one of the factors in development decisions, no team is naive enough to forget examining and establishing a development potential of a new concept before decising on it.Andi76 wrote: ↑15 Mar 2022, 21:06A new concept should have less developement potential than the the concept of micro-sidepods, a concept developed for many years? Makes sense doesn't it ?
No sorry, i do not think so. Even if Mercedes went extreme and Red Bull has extreme solutions, errari has a completely new concept. And usually a new concept has much more developement potential. Also the Ferrari concept makes much more sense to me. The small roll hoop, which allows much more air to flow to the rear and beamwing, which then "drive" the floor. Much more effective than Mercedes way of driving more air over the diffusor. And with their update and their broad shoulders, even less air will arrive at the rearwing now... but probably thats it - Mercedes has more developement potential, because their concept is inferior to Ferraris...
If I have not misunderstood the interventions of the most experienced, this would not be a good sign. It would be a stratagem that does not solve the cause but that cures the symptoms, however the problem would not be solved. I hope this is not the case.I would finally wish for a year of rampant and flamboyant neighing, eating as much fodder as possible, leaving crumbs to the others, which I hope is Mc Laren and not Merc. or R.B ..Andi76 wrote: ↑15 Mar 2022, 20:42You are aware of the fact that Ferrari was one of only two teams that solved porpoising extremely fast? And that they solved it much faster than Red Bull? The only team that had almost no problem at all with porpoising was McLaren, and Ferrari was the time to solve it very fast... Binotto knows exactly how good the F1-75 is. Saying they won't win yet is just politics. The F1-75 was the only car with an extremely stiff-suspension set-up. From the very first second in Barcelona. All teams followed, because the new aero needs that. This pretty much proves that Ferrari is ahead of all the others in terms of knowledge.dialtone wrote: ↑14 Mar 2022, 21:41If Binotto says they won’t win races yet I believe him. I think Ferrari is certainly in the top 3 and could be very close to Merc and RBR. Nobody ran their engine full beans and certainly Ferrari could have held more back, or it could be just a bit weaker.
They will win races this year but have to fully solve porpoising first and it seems only RB was able to. That RB18 seemed on a carpet at the end of the main straight in Bahrain in the last 30 minutes, so they found the right aerodynamic and mechanic compromise.
I think it will be a good year.
