Ferrari F1-75

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Henri wrote:
05 Apr 2022, 08:55
Vanja #66 wrote:
05 Apr 2022, 08:37
ringo wrote:
03 Apr 2022, 22:31
What this car and the redbull do is create downforce with the sidepods.
when the floor stalls the downforce is still there from the body.
Mercedes doesnt have this luxury so will have more pronounced bouncing.
I've mentioned this already in a few places, top of the floor and sidepod lift/downforce have nothing to do with substitution of downforce lost due to tunnel stall. If anything, Merc has the most downforce on top, even with launch-spec sidepods.

https://i.ibb.co/TrBZgbV/comp1-top.jpg

and RB18:

https://i.ibb.co/gZX18hm/comp2-rb18-top.jpg

Where Mercedes might be lacking is conditioning the flow to strengthen the floor-sealing vortex with wide sidepods and floor front-end design, requiring them to run the car lower and leaving them more susceptible to aero bounce. But that's not a discussion for this topic.
Ferraris concept is better on the rear tyres.. Mercedes is a bad concept on the rear tyres it has more drag
Not according to his CFD images. Look at the coefficient of pressure plots on the wheels.
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PlatinumZealot wrote:
06 Apr 2022, 18:32
Henri wrote:
05 Apr 2022, 08:55
Vanja #66 wrote:
05 Apr 2022, 08:37


I've mentioned this already in a few places, top of the floor and sidepod lift/downforce have nothing to do with substitution of downforce lost due to tunnel stall. If anything, Merc has the most downforce on top, even with launch-spec sidepods.

https://i.ibb.co/TrBZgbV/comp1-top.jpg

and RB18:

https://i.ibb.co/gZX18hm/comp2-rb18-top.jpg

Where Mercedes might be lacking is conditioning the flow to strengthen the floor-sealing vortex with wide sidepods and floor front-end design, requiring them to run the car lower and leaving them more susceptible to aero bounce. But that's not a discussion for this topic.
Ferraris concept is better on the rear tyres.. Mercedes is a bad concept on the rear tyres it has more drag
Not according to his CFD images. Look at the coefficient of pressure plots on the wheels.

What does the CP stand for ?

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diffuser wrote:
06 Apr 2022, 19:14

What does the CP stand for ?
Coefficient of pressure.
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Looks like the intercooler. The compressor is behind the little cylinder. Interesting shape. There may be waterlines routed into this cylindrical or cartridge like intercooler. Maybe Scarbs has some intel.
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GrrG wrote:
06 Apr 2022, 20:47
Binotto told that they won’t bring significant upgrades to Melbourne. Any other report suggested that it will be in Imola we’ll see the first upgrades. So it’s confusing Duchessa reports this now. He’s quite reliable as far as I know.

Or maybe they’ll bring the premature parts and test them to be sure. Though, that would be weird, in times of a budged cap.

First upgrades in Imola and an upgraded floor in Spain sounds more realistic. But let’s see.

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LM10 wrote:
06 Apr 2022, 22:11
GrrG wrote:
06 Apr 2022, 20:47
Binotto told that they won’t bring significant upgrades to Melbourne. Any other report suggested that it will be in Imola we’ll see the first upgrades. So it’s confusing Duchessa reports this now. He’s quite reliable as far as I know.

Or maybe they’ll bring the premature parts and test them to be sure. Though, that would be weird, in times of a budged cap.

First upgrades in Imola and an upgraded floor in Spain sounds more realistic. But let’s see.
Testing a front wing and floor does seem reasonable. It does not necessarily mean that they will be using them in Australia. They may be looking ahead and testing it for different types of tracks or to validate assumptions. They may be experimenting to see if the bouncing can be reduced or eliminated.

Since they suggest that they have a stable car for this race and they are not permitted track time elsewhere, it seems that this is a cost effective, efficient, and perhaps the only way to validate the direction that they plan to move towards.

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LM10 wrote:
06 Apr 2022, 22:11
GrrG wrote:
06 Apr 2022, 20:47
Binotto told that they won’t bring significant upgrades to Melbourne. Any other report suggested that it will be in Imola we’ll see the first upgrades. So it’s confusing Duchessa reports this now. He’s quite reliable as far as I know.

Or maybe they’ll bring the premature parts and test them to be sure. Though, that would be weird, in times of a budged cap.

First upgrades in Imola and an upgraded floor in Spain sounds more realistic. But let’s see.
Its just a test. They brought a new floor at Imola last year and didn't actually use it for a few months if I remember correctly.

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Rear wing looks the same spec as Jeddah. I hope they know what they’re doing…


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JPBD1990 wrote:
07 Apr 2022, 05:08
Rear wing looks the same spec as Jeddah. I hope they know what they’re doing…

Lots of setup work between now and Saturday.

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JPBD1990 wrote:
07 Apr 2022, 05:08
Rear wing looks the same spec as Jeddah. I hope they know what they’re doing…

What’s wrong that. Melbourne is not a low downforce track.
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PlatinumZealot wrote:
06 Apr 2022, 19:18
diffuser wrote:
06 Apr 2022, 19:14

What does the CP stand for ?
Coefficient of pressure.
There are 2 meanings:

* Coefficient of pressure. Also (coefficient of pressure = “static” pressure) Ref: Willem Toet explains
* Coefficient of Power. Ref: CP Meaning
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AR3-GP wrote:
07 Apr 2022, 07:46
JPBD1990 wrote:
07 Apr 2022, 05:08
Rear wing looks the same spec as Jeddah. I hope they know what they’re doing…
What’s wrong that. Melbourne is not a low downforce track.
The new layout is essentially 50% a straight line. Much to my dismay personally

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JPBD1990 wrote:
07 Apr 2022, 07:52
AR3-GP wrote:
07 Apr 2022, 07:46
JPBD1990 wrote:
07 Apr 2022, 05:08
Rear wing looks the same spec as Jeddah. I hope they know what they’re doing…
What’s wrong that. Melbourne is not a low downforce track.
The new layout is essentially 50% a straight line. Much to my dismay personally
It still does not mean it's a low downforce track.

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PlatinumZealot wrote:
06 Apr 2022, 18:32
Not according to his CFD images. Look at the coefficient of pressure plots on the wheels.
Here is a better view viewtopic.php?p=1035377#p1035377
And they call it a stall. A STALL!

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