2022 Oracle | Red Bull Racing F1 Team

[PlatinumZealot]

He has Adrian Newey and a reliable and powerful engine.

-Reliable
-Finishes 33% of races so far

Choose one.

The Honda engine in the RedBull has not failed since the start of the season.

[dialtone]

He has Adrian Newey and a reliable and powerful engine.

-Reliable
-Finishes 33% of races so far

Choose one.

The Honda engine in the RedBull has not failed since the start of the season.

Except for the extra MGU-H and TC that Perez took on and what Marko declared to the press: https://primesportsnews.net/helmut-mark ... mes-ahead/

He said: “We don’t just have these reliability problems, which are actually largely unknown to us – we don’t know that at all,”

“The other thing is this weight problem. We’re well ahead [heavier] of Ferrari there. That’s a difficult balancing act, even with the cost cap.”

“Difficult times are ahead of us. We were surprised at how fast Ferrari was today.”

And similar quotes from Horner: https://talksport.com/sport/motorsport/ ... erstappen/

Franz Tost also doesn't know why Alpha Tauri engines are failing and that should concern RedBull as well.

[Juzh]

-Reliable
-Finishes 33% of races so far

Choose one.

The Honda engine in the RedBull has not failed since the start of the season.

Except for the extra MGU-H and TC that Perez took on and what Marko declared to the press: https://primesportsnews.net/helmut-mark ... mes-ahead/

This doesn't mean original ones are dead. Components are frozen, it doesn't matter then you take additional ones into the pool. And even if they are really dead it could be a result of vacuum in the fuel lines shutting engine down abruptly or any number of reasons. So far nothing points to any honda supplied part being root culprit of these failures (on the red bull).

[diffuser]

The Honda engine in the RedBull has not failed since the start of the season.

Except for the extra MGU-H and TC that Perez took on and what Marko declared to the press: https://primesportsnews.net/helmut-mark ... mes-ahead/

This doesn't mean original ones are dead. Components are frozen, it doesn't matter then you take additional ones into the pool. And even if they are really dead it could be a result of vacuum in the fuel lines shutting engine down abruptly or any number of reasons. So far nothing points to any honda supplied part being root culprit of these failures (on the red bull).

When you can score points like RBR can presently, an extra Mgu-H/TC isn't nearly as painful as a DNF. They'll get a double wammy though if the race closens up. Closer racing makes regaining grid spots lost to penality more difficult.

[dialtone]

The Honda engine in the RedBull has not failed since the start of the season.

Except for the extra MGU-H and TC that Perez took on and what Marko declared to the press: https://primesportsnews.net/helmut-mark ... mes-ahead/

This doesn't mean original ones are dead. Components are frozen, it doesn't matter then you take additional ones into the pool. And even if they are really dead it could be a result of vacuum in the fuel lines shutting engine down abruptly or any number of reasons. So far nothing points to any honda supplied part being root culprit of these failures (on the red bull).

You are correct, but it's also not great that you have a 2nd component already in play since that's one less component that can take reliability upgrades, and in general I think it's not a great sign that 3/23 in, you are on the 2nd of 3 components. Ferrari actually had this happen in 2017 where they had 6 TCs in 3 races for the 2 cars and started rotating them around, not a great sign until they came up with a fix for the issue with the next TC part, and anyway that car had plenty of other reliability issues.

EDIT: one more consideration here is that an engine cost is $15mil flat, if you go over engine allocation it's not just the penalty but the cost cap impact.

[Alexf1]

Except for the extra MGU-H and TC that Perez took on and what Marko declared to the press: https://primesportsnews.net/helmut-mark ... mes-ahead/

This doesn't mean original ones are dead. Components are frozen, it doesn't matter then you take additional ones into the pool. And even if they are really dead it could be a result of vacuum in the fuel lines shutting engine down abruptly or any number of reasons. So far nothing points to any honda supplied part being root culprit of these failures (on the red bull).

You are correct, but it's also not great that you have a 2nd component already in play since that's one less component that can take reliability upgrades, and in general I think it's not a great sign that 3/23 in, you are on the 2nd of 3 components. Ferrari actually had this happen in 2017 where they had 6 TCs in 3 races for the 2 cars and started rotating them around, not a great sign until they came up with a fix for the issue with the next TC part, and anyway that car had plenty of other reliability issues.

EDIT: one more consideration here is that an engine cost is $15mil flat, if you go over engine allocation it's not just the penalty but the cost cap impact.

Cost for engines are outside the cost cap

[dialtone]

Cost for engines are outside the cost cap

Oh you're correct, sorry about that.

[diffuser]

Except for the extra MGU-H and TC that Perez took on and what Marko declared to the press: https://primesportsnews.net/helmut-mark ... mes-ahead/

This doesn't mean original ones are dead. Components are frozen, it doesn't matter then you take additional ones into the pool. And even if they are really dead it could be a result of vacuum in the fuel lines shutting engine down abruptly or any number of reasons. So far nothing points to any honda supplied part being root culprit of these failures (on the red bull).

You are correct, but it's also not great that you have a 2nd component already in play since that's one less component that can take reliability upgrades, and in general I think it's not a great sign that 3/23 in, you are on the 2nd of 3 components. Ferrari actually had this happen in 2017 where they had 6 TCs in 3 races for the 2 cars and started rotating them around, not a great sign until they came up with a fix for the issue with the next TC part, and anyway that car had plenty of other reliability issues.

EDIT: one more consideration here is that an engine cost is $15mil flat, if you go over engine allocation it's not just the penalty but the cost cap impact.

Thought it was $8mil but I get your point. Atleast that's what Merc charges. Whole new extra Merc PU, I presume, would be less than $2.7mil.

But some said they don't apply. Which for a team with deep pockets like RBR isn't an issue.

[Curbstone]

Geez, we're 3 races in a new era and Max already should switch teams? This is rather a case of panic stations.
Have we forgotten how Ferrari performed the past years and that they currently have several months lead in development? This advantage will creep away, and then it's Ferrari being their old selves again.
And if Red Bull is not the place to be, then you should definitely stay away from Mercedes, with their lack of speed and unproven concept. The chances of them getting on top of their issues doesn't seem bigger than Red Bull.

[saviour stivala]

This doesn't mean original ones are dead. Components are frozen, it doesn't matter then you take additional ones into the pool. And even if they are really dead it could be a result of vacuum in the fuel lines shutting engine down abruptly or any number of reasons. So far nothing points to any honda supplied part being root culprit of these failures (on the red bull).

You are correct, but it's also not great that you have a 2nd component already in play since that's one less component that can take reliability upgrades, and in general I think it's not a great sign that 3/23 in, you are on the 2nd of 3 components. Ferrari actually had this happen in 2017 where they had 6 TCs in 3 races for the 2 cars and started rotating them around, not a great sign until they came up with a fix for the issue with the next TC part, and anyway that car had plenty of other reliability issues.

EDIT: one more consideration here is that an engine cost is $15mil flat, if you go over engine allocation it's not just the penalty but the cost cap impact.

Thought it was $8mil but I get your point. Atleast that's what Merc charges. Whole new extra Merc PU, I presume, would be less than $2.7mil.

But some said they don't apply. Which for a team with deep pockets like RBR isn't an issue.

Engine cost ‘per-unit’ might be irrelevant if engine supply costs are per-season per-car.

[diffuser]

You are correct, but it's also not great that you have a 2nd component already in play since that's one less component that can take reliability upgrades, and in general I think it's not a great sign that 3/23 in, you are on the 2nd of 3 components. Ferrari actually had this happen in 2017 where they had 6 TCs in 3 races for the 2 cars and started rotating them around, not a great sign until they came up with a fix for the issue with the next TC part, and anyway that car had plenty of other reliability issues.

EDIT: one more consideration here is that an engine cost is $15mil flat, if you go over engine allocation it's not just the penalty but the cost cap impact.

Thought it was $8mil but I get your point. Atleast that's what Merc charges. Whole new extra Merc PU, I presume, would be less than $2.7mil.

But some said they don't apply. Which for a team with deep pockets like RBR isn't an issue.

Engine cost ‘per-unit’ might be irrelevant if engine supply costs are per-season per-car.

They aren't, you can tell by how customer teams are hesitant to take on extra PUs. Maybe at $15mil you get an unlimited supply.

[etusch]

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[Big Tea]

Thought it was $8mil but I get your point. Atleast that's what Merc charges. Whole new extra Merc PU, I presume, would be less than $2.7mil.

But some said they don't apply. Which for a team with deep pockets like RBR isn't an issue.

Engine cost ‘per-unit’ might be irrelevant if engine supply costs are per-season per-car.

They aren't, you can tell by how customer teams are hesitant to take on extra PUs. Maybe at $15mil you get an unlimited supply.

This could be because of the grid drop as much as due to cost. An extra engine now still means one when it will be above the limit for the season. The later they can leave that the better

[diffuser]

Engine cost ‘per-unit’ might be irrelevant if engine supply costs are per-season per-car.

They aren't, you can tell by how customer teams are hesitant to take on extra PUs. Maybe at $15mil you get an unlimited supply.

This could be because of the grid drop as much as due to cost. An extra engine now still means one when it will be above the limit for the season. The later they can leave that the better

1 x 5 place grid drop at the right track for a new ICE is nothing when you can use that same ICE for 6 other races without penailty.

[toraabe]

https://www.planetf1.com/news/helmut-ma ... -too-much/

Seems that Perez is more confident in the car than Verstappen... Interesting