The Honda engine in the RedBull has not failed since the start of the season.
The Honda engine in the RedBull has not failed since the start of the season.
Except for the extra MGU-H and TC that Perez took on and what Marko declared to the press: https://primesportsnews.net/helmut-mark ... mes-ahead/PlatinumZealot wrote: ↑11 Apr 2022, 21:38The Honda engine in the RedBull has not failed since the start of the season.
And similar quotes from Horner: https://talksport.com/sport/motorsport/ ... erstappen/He said: “We don’t just have these reliability problems, which are actually largely unknown to us – we don’t know that at all,”
“The other thing is this weight problem. We’re well ahead [heavier] of Ferrari there. That’s a difficult balancing act, even with the cost cap.”
“Difficult times are ahead of us. We were surprised at how fast Ferrari was today.”
This doesn't mean original ones are dead. Components are frozen, it doesn't matter then you take additional ones into the pool. And even if they are really dead it could be a result of vacuum in the fuel lines shutting engine down abruptly or any number of reasons. So far nothing points to any honda supplied part being root culprit of these failures (on the red bull).dialtone wrote: ↑11 Apr 2022, 22:38Except for the extra MGU-H and TC that Perez took on and what Marko declared to the press: https://primesportsnews.net/helmut-mark ... mes-ahead/PlatinumZealot wrote: ↑11 Apr 2022, 21:38The Honda engine in the RedBull has not failed since the start of the season.
Juzh wrote: ↑11 Apr 2022, 22:42This doesn't mean original ones are dead. Components are frozen, it doesn't matter then you take additional ones into the pool. And even if they are really dead it could be a result of vacuum in the fuel lines shutting engine down abruptly or any number of reasons. So far nothing points to any honda supplied part being root culprit of these failures (on the red bull).dialtone wrote: ↑11 Apr 2022, 22:38Except for the extra MGU-H and TC that Perez took on and what Marko declared to the press: https://primesportsnews.net/helmut-mark ... mes-ahead/PlatinumZealot wrote: ↑11 Apr 2022, 21:38
The Honda engine in the RedBull has not failed since the start of the season.
You are correct, but it's also not great that you have a 2nd component already in play since that's one less component that can take reliability upgrades, and in general I think it's not a great sign that 3/23 in, you are on the 2nd of 3 components. Ferrari actually had this happen in 2017 where they had 6 TCs in 3 races for the 2 cars and started rotating them around, not a great sign until they came up with a fix for the issue with the next TC part, and anyway that car had plenty of other reliability issues.Juzh wrote: ↑11 Apr 2022, 22:42This doesn't mean original ones are dead. Components are frozen, it doesn't matter then you take additional ones into the pool. And even if they are really dead it could be a result of vacuum in the fuel lines shutting engine down abruptly or any number of reasons. So far nothing points to any honda supplied part being root culprit of these failures (on the red bull).dialtone wrote: ↑11 Apr 2022, 22:38Except for the extra MGU-H and TC that Perez took on and what Marko declared to the press: https://primesportsnews.net/helmut-mark ... mes-ahead/PlatinumZealot wrote: ↑11 Apr 2022, 21:38
The Honda engine in the RedBull has not failed since the start of the season.
Cost for engines are outside the cost capdialtone wrote: ↑11 Apr 2022, 23:05You are correct, but it's also not great that you have a 2nd component already in play since that's one less component that can take reliability upgrades, and in general I think it's not a great sign that 3/23 in, you are on the 2nd of 3 components. Ferrari actually had this happen in 2017 where they had 6 TCs in 3 races for the 2 cars and started rotating them around, not a great sign until they came up with a fix for the issue with the next TC part, and anyway that car had plenty of other reliability issues.Juzh wrote: ↑11 Apr 2022, 22:42This doesn't mean original ones are dead. Components are frozen, it doesn't matter then you take additional ones into the pool. And even if they are really dead it could be a result of vacuum in the fuel lines shutting engine down abruptly or any number of reasons. So far nothing points to any honda supplied part being root culprit of these failures (on the red bull).dialtone wrote: ↑11 Apr 2022, 22:38
Except for the extra MGU-H and TC that Perez took on and what Marko declared to the press: https://primesportsnews.net/helmut-mark ... mes-ahead/
EDIT: one more consideration here is that an engine cost is $15mil flat, if you go over engine allocation it's not just the penalty but the cost cap impact.
Thought it was $8mil but I get your point. Atleast that's what Merc charges. Whole new extra Merc PU, I presume, would be less than $2.7mil.dialtone wrote: ↑11 Apr 2022, 23:05You are correct, but it's also not great that you have a 2nd component already in play since that's one less component that can take reliability upgrades, and in general I think it's not a great sign that 3/23 in, you are on the 2nd of 3 components. Ferrari actually had this happen in 2017 where they had 6 TCs in 3 races for the 2 cars and started rotating them around, not a great sign until they came up with a fix for the issue with the next TC part, and anyway that car had plenty of other reliability issues.Juzh wrote: ↑11 Apr 2022, 22:42This doesn't mean original ones are dead. Components are frozen, it doesn't matter then you take additional ones into the pool. And even if they are really dead it could be a result of vacuum in the fuel lines shutting engine down abruptly or any number of reasons. So far nothing points to any honda supplied part being root culprit of these failures (on the red bull).dialtone wrote: ↑11 Apr 2022, 22:38
Except for the extra MGU-H and TC that Perez took on and what Marko declared to the press: https://primesportsnews.net/helmut-mark ... mes-ahead/
EDIT: one more consideration here is that an engine cost is $15mil flat, if you go over engine allocation it's not just the penalty but the cost cap impact.
Engine cost ‘per-unit’ might be irrelevant if engine supply costs are per-season per-car.diffuser wrote: ↑12 Apr 2022, 02:29Thought it was $8mil but I get your point. Atleast that's what Merc charges. Whole new extra Merc PU, I presume, would be less than $2.7mil.dialtone wrote: ↑11 Apr 2022, 23:05You are correct, but it's also not great that you have a 2nd component already in play since that's one less component that can take reliability upgrades, and in general I think it's not a great sign that 3/23 in, you are on the 2nd of 3 components. Ferrari actually had this happen in 2017 where they had 6 TCs in 3 races for the 2 cars and started rotating them around, not a great sign until they came up with a fix for the issue with the next TC part, and anyway that car had plenty of other reliability issues.Juzh wrote: ↑11 Apr 2022, 22:42
This doesn't mean original ones are dead. Components are frozen, it doesn't matter then you take additional ones into the pool. And even if they are really dead it could be a result of vacuum in the fuel lines shutting engine down abruptly or any number of reasons. So far nothing points to any honda supplied part being root culprit of these failures (on the red bull).
EDIT: one more consideration here is that an engine cost is $15mil flat, if you go over engine allocation it's not just the penalty but the cost cap impact.
But some said they don't apply. Which for a team with deep pockets like RBR isn't an issue.
They aren't, you can tell by how customer teams are hesitant to take on extra PUs. Maybe at $15mil you get an unlimited supply.saviour stivala wrote: ↑12 Apr 2022, 08:48Engine cost ‘per-unit’ might be irrelevant if engine supply costs are per-season per-car.diffuser wrote: ↑12 Apr 2022, 02:29Thought it was $8mil but I get your point. Atleast that's what Merc charges. Whole new extra Merc PU, I presume, would be less than $2.7mil.dialtone wrote: ↑11 Apr 2022, 23:05
You are correct, but it's also not great that you have a 2nd component already in play since that's one less component that can take reliability upgrades, and in general I think it's not a great sign that 3/23 in, you are on the 2nd of 3 components. Ferrari actually had this happen in 2017 where they had 6 TCs in 3 races for the 2 cars and started rotating them around, not a great sign until they came up with a fix for the issue with the next TC part, and anyway that car had plenty of other reliability issues.
EDIT: one more consideration here is that an engine cost is $15mil flat, if you go over engine allocation it's not just the penalty but the cost cap impact.
But some said they don't apply. Which for a team with deep pockets like RBR isn't an issue.
This could be because of the grid drop as much as due to cost. An extra engine now still means one when it will be above the limit for the season. The later they can leave that the betterdiffuser wrote: ↑12 Apr 2022, 13:41They aren't, you can tell by how customer teams are hesitant to take on extra PUs. Maybe at $15mil you get an unlimited supply.saviour stivala wrote: ↑12 Apr 2022, 08:48Engine cost ‘per-unit’ might be irrelevant if engine supply costs are per-season per-car.
1 x 5 place grid drop at the right track for a new ICE is nothing when you can use that same ICE for 6 other races without penailty.Big Tea wrote: ↑12 Apr 2022, 14:32This could be because of the grid drop as much as due to cost. An extra engine now still means one when it will be above the limit for the season. The later they can leave that the betterdiffuser wrote: ↑12 Apr 2022, 13:41They aren't, you can tell by how customer teams are hesitant to take on extra PUs. Maybe at $15mil you get an unlimited supply.saviour stivala wrote: ↑12 Apr 2022, 08:48
Engine cost ‘per-unit’ might be irrelevant if engine supply costs are per-season per-car.