Interesting to think of a sidepod reversion.
That backtrack may be something to consider. Unless, of course, preseason testing showed the current version to still be significantly better...
The only reason to do that would be to determine if it's the sidepod design that's the main issue or if it's multiple areas of the car. If there is no realistic chance of challenging for the titles (which looks to be the reality), then the focus should be on resolving the problems and not making similar mistakes in the 2023 car. I mean it could be true that the Mercedes has a lot of unlocked performance inaccessible due to the purposing, but it's hard to tell if that's just Mercedes saying that for PR or if they actually believe it.
Even if it's true, if it takes half the season to unlock it, other teams will have unlocked a lot more pace too.taperoo2k wrote: ↑23 Apr 2022, 18:29The only reason to do that would be to determine if it's the sidepod design that's the main issue or if it's multiple areas of the car. If there is no realistic chance of challenging for the titles (which looks to be the reality), then the focus should be on resolving the problems and not making similar mistakes in the 2023 car. I mean it could be true that the Mercedes has a lot of unlocked performance inaccessible due to the purposing, but it's hard to tell if that's just Mercedes saying that for PR or if they actually believe it.
The bigger issue for Mercedes is that they discover what went wrong, how to fix it and ensure the same mistakes don't bleed into the 2023 car.dialtone wrote: ↑23 Apr 2022, 18:37Even if it's true, if it takes half the season to unlock it, other teams will have unlocked a lot more pace too.taperoo2k wrote: ↑23 Apr 2022, 18:29The only reason to do that would be to determine if it's the sidepod design that's the main issue or if it's multiple areas of the car. If there is no realistic chance of challenging for the titles (which looks to be the reality), then the focus should be on resolving the problems and not making similar mistakes in the 2023 car. I mean it could be true that the Mercedes has a lot of unlocked performance inaccessible due to the purposing, but it's hard to tell if that's just Mercedes saying that for PR or if they actually believe it.
Ferrari have been dominant. RB have been dominant. Renault have been somewhat dominant. It doesn't mean that they don't make mistakes.101FlyingDutchman wrote: ↑23 Apr 2022, 18:24It’s highly likely that it’s all been considered already. They have been the dominant team for a reason. I guess you just can’t do anything until you’ve pinpointed the correlation discrepancy that they most clearly have
This is a bit of a myth at this point. Not only the F1-75 is bouncing more than the W13, at least that was the data in australia, but judging by the size of wings between Ferrari and Merc, knowing both are higher ride height, it's clear Ferrari needs less wing.VacuousFlamboyant wrote:The old iteration would probably yield better results in the short term as it produces less downforce, but that's not what they are after. That's not to say they won't look into sidepod design. The lack of individual parts tells me they will rework the car concept yet again. Otherwise, not bringing a new rear wing or floor was a huge mistake. Even if they don't match the concept, the most sensible thing, probably, would be to run a compromised setup and fill them with pressure sensors.
If this continues they should do what ferrari did last year. Just abandoned it and put everything into next year's car. Then the PU.taperoo2k wrote: ↑23 Apr 2022, 19:20The bigger issue for Mercedes is that they discover what went wrong, how to fix it and ensure the same mistakes don't bleed into the 2023 car.dialtone wrote: ↑23 Apr 2022, 18:37Even if it's true, if it takes half the season to unlock it, other teams will have unlocked a lot more pace too.taperoo2k wrote: ↑23 Apr 2022, 18:29
The only reason to do that would be to determine if it's the sidepod design that's the main issue or if it's multiple areas of the car. If there is no realistic chance of challenging for the titles (which looks to be the reality), then the focus should be on resolving the problems and not making similar mistakes in the 2023 car. I mean it could be true that the Mercedes has a lot of unlocked performance inaccessible due to the purposing, but it's hard to tell if that's just Mercedes saying that for PR or if they actually believe it.
PU is frozen and next year the rules are the same. Develop the w13 and fix its issues calmly without pressure for results this year.toraabe wrote:If this continues they should do what ferrari did last year. Just abandoned it and put everything into next year's car. Then the PU.
chrisc90 wrote: ↑10 Apr 2022, 19:01Wonder why they dont look at what the Barcelona 'full' side pods can do?
I mean they could run 1 car in practice with them on. Providing its just a engine cover / possible floor to swap over.....that takes very little time.
They could get quite a bit of realistic data without 'showing their card' too much like they would have in testing. Granted you would lose a session of FP but copying the setup off one car and putting it onto another wouldnt be hard.
VacuousFlamboyant wrote: ↑23 Apr 2022, 19:24The old iteration would probably yield better results in the short term as it produces less downforce, but that's not what they are after. That's not to say they won't look into sidepod design. The lack of individual parts tells me they will rework the car concept yet again. Otherwise, not bringing a new rear wing or floor was a huge mistake. Even if they don't match the concept, the most sensible thing, probably, would be to run a compromised setup and fill them with pressure sensors.
After everything we've seen so far, especially wet running, the suspension seems to be the weakest link. Some of us have been saying this for a while. They've been hurt with regulations resulting in simplified suspension systems, they can't setup the car properly and this also results in poor aero performance on track.Remevs wrote: ↑23 Apr 2022, 20:51I heard from driver 61 that it could actually be a suspension problem and not aero, the has issues too but I think the main thing to fix is that suspension to catching the bouncing. I don't know if this avenue has been talked about here cuz Redbull have one hell of a suspension and they magically have zero porpoising.