Well apparently it's something they are not ruling out completely. Maybe they've seen the light in that the 2 fastest cars on the grid have the largest side pods (not to say that's the solution)
https://www.planetf1.com/news/toto-wolf ... -spec-w13/
Well apparently it's something they are not ruling out completely. Maybe they've seen the light in that the 2 fastest cars on the grid have the largest side pods (not to say that's the solution)
Do you honestly think they redid their car in 2 weeks after the Barcelona test??? These concepts were researched months in advance. Hell it probably took them longer just to produce the parts.GrizzleBoy wrote: ↑09 May 2022, 13:12At some point we'll probably need to start wondering whether much of what we hear is just PR to slowly let people settle into the idea that "it ain't happening ".
At one point, "new upgrades expected for X race!!!" will start to fall on deaf ears and the expectations of anything good in 2022 and pressure will lessen for the team and drivers.
I'd say we're well into that journey already now.
The car can't use the tyres properly despite seemingly having enough downforce suggesting something isnt quite right mechanically and it can't use the downforce that it does produce properly or efficiently leading to extreme bouncing.
Mercedes essentially already made an entire v2.0 floor and v2.0 sidepods that function in completely different concept to the previous iteration after it was revealed the car basically didn't work as they thought since the first filming track day after the car launched.
I haven't thought about it like that. Most people seem to believe the floor is a large part of their issues and it needs fixing, but the W13 already had a floor overhaul this year. How much more could they do with the cost cap?
Merc already 2.0'd large pars of the car this year since launch and its possible there isn't really much more they can actually do now.
It's less to do with time and more to do with money.cplchanb wrote: ↑09 May 2022, 13:24Do you honestly think they redid their car in 2 weeks after the Barcelona test??? These concepts were researched months in advance. Hell it probably took them longer just to produce the parts.GrizzleBoy wrote: ↑09 May 2022, 13:12At some point we'll probably need to start wondering whether much of what we hear is just PR to slowly let people settle into the idea that "it ain't happening ".
At one point, "new upgrades expected for X race!!!" will start to fall on deaf ears and the expectations of anything good in 2022 and pressure will lessen for the team and drivers.
I'd say we're well into that journey already now.
The car can't use the tyres properly despite seemingly having enough downforce suggesting something isnt quite right mechanically and it can't use the downforce that it does produce properly or efficiently leading to extreme bouncing.
Mercedes essentially already made an entire v2.0 floor and v2.0 sidepods that function in completely different concept to the previous iteration after it was revealed the car basically didn't work as they thought since the first filming track day after the car launched.
I haven't thought about it like that. Most people seem to believe the floor is a large part of their issues and it needs fixing, but the W13 already had a floor overhaul this year. How much more could they do with the cost cap?
Merc already 2.0'd large pars of the car this year since launch and its possible there isn't really much more they can actually do now.
To summarise:AA_2019 wrote: ↑09 May 2022, 11:52Stop moaning and change the floor by:
- removing the kick points to reduce extremeness
- reshape with the tunnel like contours as Red Bull which ensures there is always some airflow even if the car bottoms
- add cut outs on the edge as per Red Bull
- add the Red Bull Skates
Or keeping believing in a silver bullet that will magically make the car quicker than ever other car on the grid.
That's what I was thinking but they were saying that starting on the dirty side of the track was a big disadvantage and with the hards taking much longer to get into the window Lewis probably would have lost more places at the start.PlatinumZealot wrote: ↑08 May 2022, 23:34Mercedes were hopeful of their pace but I felt they should have started Lewis on hards. Street track, mid field, third best car. Start on hards.
The payoff would be possibly taking adv of the safety car though, but if you ask me 5 & 6th is the realistic race assignment given the car’s performance; and they achieved it. Regardless of strategy that seemed like their destiny whichever way it played out.SuperCNJ wrote: ↑09 May 2022, 14:36That's what I was thinking but they were saying that starting on the dirty side of the track was a big disadvantage and with the hards taking much longer to get into the window Lewis probably would have lost more places at the start.PlatinumZealot wrote: ↑08 May 2022, 23:34Mercedes were hopeful of their pace but I felt they should have started Lewis on hards. Street track, mid field, third best car. Start on hards.
Well it looks they are not ruling out to bring the wider sidepods as I was guessing
They've repeatedly said they are slower. So it's an almost certainty they won't revert.Redragon wrote: ↑09 May 2022, 17:28Well it looks they are not ruling out to bring the wider sidepods as I was guessing
https://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12433 ... t-improved
It is not me guessing, it is Wolff telling himself that they are considering it. So there is a percentage of possibility to see them to reverese the concept and focus towards next year. It is logical if this concept don't move forward with updates and improve sooner than later.Owen.C93 wrote: ↑09 May 2022, 18:34They've repeatedly said they are slower. So it's an almost certainty they won't revert.Redragon wrote: ↑09 May 2022, 17:28Well it looks they are not ruling out to bring the wider sidepods as I was guessing
https://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12433 ... t-improved
There issue is porpoising which the sidepods won't effect.
Yeah, but Toto said it, so best taken with a pinch of salt….Redragon wrote: ↑09 May 2022, 17:28Well it looks they are not ruling out to bring the wider sidepods as I was guessing
https://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12433 ... t-improved
SiLo wrote: ↑09 May 2022, 13:53To summarise:AA_2019 wrote: ↑09 May 2022, 11:52Stop moaning and change the floor by:
- removing the kick points to reduce extremeness
- reshape with the tunnel like contours as Red Bull which ensures there is always some airflow even if the car bottoms
- add cut outs on the edge as per Red Bull
- add the Red Bull Skates
Or keeping believing in a silver bullet that will magically make the car quicker than ever other car on the grid.
Build the RB18.
You cannot just lift parts from another car and have it work, it's only in very rare instances that it does.