Comparison diffuser @redbullracing vs @ScuderiaFerrari #Techf1
Honestly people now are so obsessed with "porpoising" that they forget the objective is making the car the best it can be around a lap.ryaan2904 wrote: ↑22 May 2022, 11:39I remember f1 pundits saying that flaps/slots on the floor are good to control porpoising, but reduce the max downforce of the car.tpe wrote: ↑21 May 2022, 15:15So, can you please tell me how porpoising was reduced? Do we have a measurement for this?rafeyahmad wrote: ↑21 May 2022, 14:17
What nonsense.
They didn't introduce the floor to completely "solve porpoising". It was to reduce it so they can run the car lower. The ultimate solution will come with the rear suspensions in the 2nd half of the season. People absorb misleading headlines and then get disappointed when the team doesn't deliver on them.
The updates have worked as reported by Duchessa. Just because you can't visibly see the differences or the difference to RB doesn't seem that big doesn't mean they haven't. RB have also lost 5 kgs. It's all relative.
I don't have any data, of course, so I just comment with what is visible from the TV. And I didn't see any improvement.
Facts line up too, ferrari initially came up with a straight floor, then added a flexible flap to reduce porpoising. Now, they should have reduced porpoising, since they removed that flap.
Opposite situation for mercs, they had a straight floor and tons of porpoising so they added a very similar floor flap (to ferrari) for barca to reduce porpoising, trade-off being reduced downforce.
true. less to do with porpoising and a lot more to do with extending the range of the floors ability to produce high downforce even at very low ride height and at high velocity. the fact that porposing's next door neighbour happens to be maximum downforce...they will occasionally cross pathSevach wrote: ↑23 May 2022, 15:15Honestly people now are so obsessed with "porpoising" that they forget the objective is making the car the best it can be around a lap.ryaan2904 wrote: ↑22 May 2022, 11:39I remember f1 pundits saying that flaps/slots on the floor are good to control porpoising, but reduce the max downforce of the car.
Facts line up too, ferrari initially came up with a straight floor, then added a flexible flap to reduce porpoising. Now, they should have reduced porpoising, since they removed that flap.
Opposite situation for mercs, they had a straight floor and tons of porpoising so they added a very similar floor flap (to ferrari) for barca to reduce porpoising, trade-off being reduced downforce.
Also at least to me, what was happening to Ferrari in turn 9 (and sometimes T3) wasn't porpoising, it was plain old "grounding" the car is already riding ridiculously low to the ground so when you add big lateral energy it hits the ground hard.
Due to the nature of how much downforce the floors are responsible for now and how the cars are setup completely flat and low to the ground as opposed to ass in the sky rake, grounding seems to affect performance through these corners a lot more than in the past... "forever" years, up to the teams to see how they'll tackle it.
Yes, it was definitely grounding, since i also saw sparks flying from beneath the floor when it was happening. Maybe along with a little bit of porpoising added too, but majorly grounding.Sevach wrote: ↑23 May 2022, 15:15Honestly people now are so obsessed with "porpoising" that they forget the objective is making the car the best it can be around a lap.ryaan2904 wrote: ↑22 May 2022, 11:39I remember f1 pundits saying that flaps/slots on the floor are good to control porpoising, but reduce the max downforce of the car.
Facts line up too, ferrari initially came up with a straight floor, then added a flexible flap to reduce porpoising. Now, they should have reduced porpoising, since they removed that flap.
Opposite situation for mercs, they had a straight floor and tons of porpoising so they added a very similar floor flap (to ferrari) for barca to reduce porpoising, trade-off being reduced downforce.
Also at least to me, what was happening to Ferrari in turn 9 (and sometimes T3) wasn't porpoising, it was plain old "grounding" the car is already riding ridiculously low to the ground so when you add big lateral energy it hits the ground hard.
Due to the nature of how much downforce the floors are responsible for now and how the cars are setup completely flat and low to the ground as opposed to ass in the sky rake, grounding seems to affect performance through these corners a lot more than in the past... "forever" years, up to the teams to see how they'll tackle it.
I did not see it yet, but I saw previous episodes of the same people and I found them not that accurate. They say some interesting things and some (or most) of them are correct, but not all of them make sense. Keep this in mind.zioture wrote: ↑24 May 2022, 08:43Ferrari and Red Bull performance analysis and comparison diffuser Ferrari Vs Red Bull the video is in Italian but you can activate the translation in the subtitles
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUHQ8bXhpXU
I see all episodes with very nice analysis, and it is important that beside they are Italians, they are not Ferrari biasedzioture wrote: ↑24 May 2022, 08:43Ferrari and Red Bull performance analysis and comparison diffuser Ferrari Vs Red Bull the video is in Italian but you can activate the translation in the subtitles
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUHQ8bXhpXU
Nice pictures. Do we have a comparison between old and new front wings? I might have miss that...GrrG wrote: ↑26 May 2022, 16:49#Ferrari with high load aerodynamic setup, new front wing confirmed.
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